<p>When it comes to complying with the Commonwealth of Virginia’s mandate (UVa must be at least 2/3 VA residents), OOS legacies are not counted as Virginia residents. </p>
<p>To explain it quickly, some people say OOS legacies are “put” in the in-state pool. That’s not exactly the case. OOS legacies are read in a similar manner to the Virginians. They definitely get a little help, but they are still residents of their home states.</p>
<p>According to Naviance, my school has had six applications to UVA total, with no acceptances.</p>
<p>Thanks, Dean J. RE: "OOS legacies are read in a similar manner to the Virginians. They definitely get a little help, but they are still residents of their home states. "</p>
<p>So, technically the OOS alumni kids are OOS, but practically speaking they are treated by admissions as “in state” (e.g., less stringent standard). The language may have been wrong (“put in the in-state pool”), but the actual effect is the same, and that was the point. In our OOS school we have a number of UVA alumni kids counting on this treatment.</p>
<p>Class Apply Admit Enroll - U VA
2010 5 1 0
2009 5 2 1
2008 6 1 0
2007 2 0 0
2006 3 1 1
2005 2 1 0 </p>
<p>And just for comparison </p>
<p>UNC Chapel Hill
Class Apply Admit Enroll
2010 2 1 0
2009 5 2 0
2008 5 2 1
2006 2 0 0
2005 1 0 0 </p>
<p>U Penn
Class Apply Admit Enroll
2010 12 6 4
2009 14 7 6
2008 16 8 8
2007 18 13 9
2006 19 9 8
2005 20 13 10</p>
<p>Most of the high stats kids at our school apply ED to an IVY or top 20 LAC; so schools like U VA and U NC miss out on a lot of our best.</p>
<p>rocknroll:</p>
<p>It would be illuminating to know, of these admitted below, how many were ED and how many were regular?</p>
<p>U Penn
Class Apply Admit Enroll
2010 12 6 4
2009 14 7 6
2008 16 8 8
2007 18 13 9
2006 19 9 8
2005 20 13 10</p>
<p>as I said above, most kids at this school apply ED. Obviously some did not, since the enroll rate is less than 100%. My point was that with VA’s low OOS acceptance rate, most OOS kids with high stats would prefer to apply ED to an IVY rather than take their chances on admission to U VA or U NC.</p>
<p>Class Apply Admit Enroll - U VA
2010 324 233 92</p>
<p>I don’t have data for previous years, but about the same number is admitted every year I want to say. I’m sure Dean J would have the more exact numbers. (We’re in state btw)</p>
<p>That is insane tjkid. 324 applicants!!! 233 acceptances !!! That is crazy.</p>
<p>It has to be Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology, Fairfax County, Va.: The most selective public high school in America, drawing mostly from the affluent households of northern Virginia, it has one of the most talented faculties in the area.</p>
<p>UVA is their safety as well as financial safety for some of them.</p>
<p>FYI - There are OTHER colleges that do compare applicants from the same high school. Some try to take at least one student from each school that historically been a major feeder school into their college, so they don’t get the school’s counselors angry. Some find they need to take a second student with better scores and grades because they had already decided to take one student who had lesser credentials (such as a legacy) and know they will be compared.</p>
<p>Charlieshm: ‘so they don’t get the school’s counselors angry’ </p>
<p>Not sure where you got this information from, but it is highly inaccurate. HS guidance counselors do not wield that kind of power over any admissions department at any institution of higher learning.</p>
<p>Actually, I was referring to private high schools that have a history of feeding into certain selective colleges. At these schools, the college counselor staffpersons are very involved in recommending which colleges to apply to. I wasn’t refering to public high school guidance counselors.</p>
<p>It does not matter if they are a public or private school I stand by my post. No counselor has that type of power. If they suggest they do, then this is a major lack of professionalism and possibly an ego that is a little too big for their position. College Admissions do not feel pressured to make any type of admissions decision based on the perimeters you have set forth in your post. If anyone says this is true they are giving false and misleading information. I certainly hope that no college counselor public, private or independent tells students what you have stated because this would be an egregious misrepresentation of the truth. </p>
<p>Next, their job IS to recommend colleges and to assist you through the college admissions process. What, they won’t recommend you apply to a college because of what you have suggested. If that is the case, wow! Let’s be realistic here, it is the student that gets into a college by all they have to offer to a college, not because your counselor may become ‘angry’ if admissions does not do as they say or they got in due to a backdoor deal. </p>
<p>As per your post:
“Some find they need to take a second student with better scores and grades because they had already decided to take one student who had lesser credentials (such as a legacy) and know they will be compared.”</p>
<p>College acceptances are not negotiated as you have been led to believe. I am sorry to be so verbose with all of this, but this process is about you, the student and all you have accomplished. My best to you charlieshcm and please understand the seriousness of what you have implied in your post.</p>
<p>Actually, those comments are based upon a book written by a former admissions officer at Duke. Please understand, my original point is that different colleges treat different situations differently. None of this discussion applies to UVa.</p>
<p>I know you are not talking about UVa and I know which book you are referring. And one of my past comments still fits: “possibly an ego that is a little too big for their position”</p>