How much do YOU think YOU need to retire? ...and at what age will you (and spouse) retire? (Part 1)

I have made a lot of mistakes. That’s how I learn. :slight_smile:

I still make mistakes and sometimes I get careless.

I was involved in two ponzi schemes. That’s a lot.

One scheme made all the major newspapers. Was talked about on CNBC. Probably was mentioned on many networks. Maybe all the major networks. Luckily I was just a relatively small investor compared to others involved so my name isn’t publicly out there. “Xxxxxx has invested in a ponzi. What an idiot!” Hasn’t hit the NY Times. :slight_smile: It’s not something I brag about. I have googled my name to make sure I haven’t been mentioned. :slight_smile:

Going forward, we should buy what we understand. Including me.

I tell my kids a few things. Understand the investment. Watch the fees. Compounding is huge.

A major brokerage firm peddled something to my son in law so I looked at it. The product was supposedly a bond substitute based on a stock index or some financial index. I am not sure the index actually existed. And it wasn’t a bond substitute. What I read was 50 pages of a commission generator. The product was very confusing. I find the more confusing a product is the less I should invest.

“Going forward, we should buy what we understand.” “I find the more confusing a product is the less I should invest.”

The best advice right here! Good advice for Wall Street management as well, who did not understand the engineered products they were dealing with. Could have prevented the 2008 meltdown.

I got greedy when a friend told me about a “can’t fail” investment. I invested $10k; my friend and others went in for 6-digits each. I have made and lost much much more than $10k over the years in various funds, but it sticks in my craw because I should have known better, and the crook running it made off with our hard-earned money.

Mostly I get by because I insist on understanding an investment before I invest. I’m a simple person, so I can only understand simple investments: mutual funds, long and short stocks, term life insurance, options, SPIAs. Since I’m only going to buy something I understand, there’s not much point in paying someone who understands more complicated things. I’m simple, and slow, but I do okay.

I mainly stick to things I understand. I prefer doing my own research and ignore the noise. The “hot tips” and noise are what gets folks into trouble.

There’s the old Wall Street saying, “Bulls make money, Bears make money, Pigs get slaughtered.”

Don’t take wild chances or get too greedy. To me, investing in things you don’t understand or in vehicles that are too complicated often stems from greed.

I have a small company but I do business with a really broad market. Everything from Aeronautics to Medical. I tend to only invest in companies that I do business with. Companies that I understand and work with every day.

I invested in three of my four worst investments because smart money was invested in the deals. If John Smith is in this deal, I should do the deal. I hear this often. Well…it didn’t work for me. :slight_smile:

I figured if these guys were in the deal, due diligence was done. The financial estimates were reasonable. Uhhhh no.

I did a couple of deals because rates were so low. I was chasing yield. I was better off getting a 1 percent return. :slight_smile:

Smart money might not be who you thought it was, but you figured that out. People can talk a good game about their own investing but unless you are seeing there financial statements…people tend to talk about their winners not their losers.

“I did a couple of deals because rates were so low. I was chasing yield. I was better off getting a 1 percent return.” That, or investing in some dividend paying, stable stocks. Works for the blue haired set in Boca.

No. I didn’t figure it out until I lost. Then it was easy to figure out. :slight_smile:

I invested in a wood chip plant. My wife asked, “What do you know about a wood chip plant?”.

Obviously… Not much. :wink:

KiOR?

I am not opposed to financial advisers. My husband and I have one, and he seems to not be taking advantage of us. What does concern me is financial advisers who sell complicated financial products to vulnerable people, especially elderly people, and who succeed in doing so by elucidating those customers’ fears and encouraging their greed.

@Parent1337,

No. I can see why you mentioned KiOR though.

The company I invested in is a private company.

One thing I have heard to avoid is trying to chase selling at an absolute high or buying at the absolute low. This goes along with greed and pigs getting slaughtered.

There are some general things that go on - some are things that have been around but always have different cycles and stimulus-es…and then there is the new mix. The housing bubble should have had alarms all over.

Since I don’t understand the market, I tend to stay in index etfs making the assumption that sooner or later whether its 1 month or 20 years from now they will come back, something that isn’t always true with individual stocks. I did buy a few recently - google and facebook. Today’s action both during the day and after hours is a total joke.

@SOSConcern - It’s great that you have done so much research and retirement planning. You said, “H and I have our individual appt with Don the end of next week.” Can you explain a bit about that? DH and I may eventually get a Financial Planner. (We’ve met with 2 from community retirement classes but opted not to sign up with them). But I’ve always envisioned joint meetings if we had a FP.

Watching TV this evening and they had a promo for a miniseries starting next Wednesday. Madoff, with Richard Dreyfus playing the main character.

^good grief…
richard dreyfus used to be a good actor decades ago.
how the mighty have fallen X’s 2…

And wait!! There is an HBO movie, too!

http://deadline.com/2015/11/madoff-abc-miniseries-premiere-hbo-movie-1201621213/

@colorado_mom you may first want to make an appt with a FA that is fee for time first - of course look for one with all the right credentials, and perhaps find someone with personal experience with them. If you find a financial planner/retirement specialist that you want to have review your current financial position/investments - then you can evaluate between the two. Operating under a fiduciary standard thing is big - “This standard requires that we act at all times for the sole benefit and interest of our clients. We believe, as does the law, that the fiduciary duty is the highest standard of care, and that it is superior to other ordinary business relationships. While some financial institutions operate strictly based on suitability guidelines and imposed regulations, we proudly aspire to the elevated fiduciary standard.” To me that means they put your financial interests before their own. He has access to the entire universe of investment products without limitations so they can help us get the most value for our dollar. Don does explain the investments and the fee structures - which we have understood. I just will continue to refresh myself and understand better at our next meeting. Then I can give an ‘update’ on this thread too.

The word fiduciary comes from the Latin fiduciarius, meaning “holding in trust” and from fides, meaning “faith”.That kind of sums up what you are looking for - having someone you believe can do this- enhance and preserve client wealth and estate well.

Don’s stated primary focus is to enhance and preserve client wealth and estate. Our first ind’l meeting with Don was an hour. Then we decided to continue and meet again - and then we eventually shifted some funds. We had experience before with a financial representative that works for a particular company rather than for the client (stock brokerage firm). So we knew what we did not want too.

I knew with some loose ends with money in various funds that needed to be moved/consolidated, we needed a good plan. I still have one last one to eventually move/roll over - with Retirement System of AL in Deferred Compensation Account - that I may be able to move/roll over once I am 59.5 (in April) - I have to call the State of AL (my former employer) to find out…

In 2013 I actually was considering making an appt with a local fee only person - had pulled up some information on some in our area, and then this two evening Retirement Planning course came up - which we attended, and Don was the instructor.

This kind of gives an idea of what we have found with Don. Recently there was a short article on Don in our local paper “On the Job” - his job description “Providing pre-retirees and retirees with income, estate, advanced tax and investment planning strategies for retirement.” Best Perk: “Watching the fear of the future leave clients’ faces. Many people come to me afraid that they have not saved enough for their golden years and are terrified of running out of money. I help create a retirement plan that can provide them with structured income, which in turn makes them feel more secure.” Ambition “When my parents transitioned into retirement, I witnessed the stress they went through, as they were unprepared and alone in their financial planning. This motivated me to pursue a career as a financial advisor so that I could inspire individuals to play an active role in their personal finances. My goal is to help educate and inform others approaching retirement so they can avoid the same challenges my parents faced.” Best Advice Received “Strive for excellence and you’ll be rewarded.” Best advice to give “Focus intensely on what you can control and know what you can’t.” It’s a bad day when “I can’t help someone recognize the important changes that need to be made to their retirement plan in order to dramatically improve their financial situation for the future.”

Our risk tolerance is continually assessed and reviewed; review of social security and tax implications for us. All part of the package - and those areas are important. Every meeting, we review where we are, and Don provides recommendations for us to consider. Attending the semi-annual "State of the Markets’ Don and his two partners present (and we schedule our ind’l meeting just after that, so we can ask about what that analysis means to our financial position).

The short course in March 2013 was at our local University - the small fee paid for the materials which was a binder titled “Life Planning for Retirement” by FMT Solutions. Don taught the course (he has had his own business since 2000). I couldn’t make the first night of the course (which I picked up the binder and understood the material - also H wouldn’t have enjoyed going w/o me) - the second night moved fast because it was a lot more ‘meat’ - even I had to try to ‘keep up’ to process all the info Don was presenting - he moved fast to cover all the written material. The sections were Retirement Distributions, Investments, Risk Management, and Estate Planning (the first night was Life Planning, Retirement Expenses, Retirement Roadblocks, and Income Sources), . Saw a couple we knew if the class, and it reaffirmed that we didn’t miss much with the first class, and they also were absorbing/processing all from the 2nd class. Don explained it all well, and I wrote notes on the various pages. We then signed up to attend the free restaurant dinner meeting which was April 2013 (and I took notes from that). Then we started some meetings with Don with first one May 2013 - and over the period, we consolidated some funds with him. He had a list of items to bring to our initial meeting - most recent tax return, bank/CD accounts showing yields, mutual fund and brokerage statements, IRA’s, 401k’s, etc, any life insurance policies, any annuity statements - fixed, variable or equity index. Also we had a questionnaire, that helped with assessing our risk tolerance. One of his partners ran a dinner meeting June 2014, so I attended and learned from that.

IMHO we have a positive thing going. Snapshot now looks good. We have reduced our risk a lot and our assets have grown.

Kudos to the people that can handle their own investments well.

I hope this feedback helps.

Here is a question for you tax experts. My wife is retiring in August and has a high deductible health plan that I’m on. Even though I qualify for medicare next month, I do not have go on medicare but can stay on her plan until she retires. She will only be 60, so she will not be on medicare but can stay on her plan. Apparently we can contribute the federal maximum of $4850 +$1000. Because she is retiring in August, this will be prorated so that from September through December, she can contribute 24504/12 and from January through August of this year (48508/12). So is it correct that the maximum that can be contributed is 2450/3 + 4850*2/3 + 1000 = $5050?