How much do YOU think YOU need to retire? ...and at what age will you (and spouse) retire? (Part 1)

@SOSConcern - I’ve only been following this thread for only a few days but some of your posts regarding your financial advisor, Don, raise some red flags with me, and I see they’ve raised concerns with others as well. I made my living in financial services/investment management and, although I don’t know details of your portfolio and obviously don’t know your FA, I’m going to give you the same advice I’d give a close friend or a relative.

Looking at your FA’s website, I see a lot of marketing pitches which raises red flags. I’m always of the mindset that if someone is trying so hard to get your business, it deserves a close look. There is also talk of market timing, for example from the website: “You’ve probably heard it before: the market is a cycle. Up, down…and around we go. Well let me ask you a question, if the market is a cycle, and is predicable, then shouldn’t we use that to our advantage?
Historically 80% of all significant market corrections have occured in the Summer and Fall, so you’d think that it would be prudent to pull your money out of the markets during those times, correct? When was the last time your stock broker ever told you to pull out of the markets? Probably never. You’ve probably switched stocks, and moved your money around, but protect it from known volatility? Never.” More: “80% of Bear Markets occur during the months of June, July, August, September and most of October*. One of our main criteria when looking for fund managers for our clients is to ensure that they have a sound strategy for exiting the markets both during times of volatility as well as throughout the year. It is important to make sure that your fund managers can go to cash or to lower risk investments during the summer and fall months when we know, historically, that the market may take a turn. By exiting the market during these times of volatility we are able to continually grow our assets without worrying about first “getting back to even.” This can translate into significant returns over the long haul.” And more: "< This kind of stuff preys upon the fears of individuals. Studies show that the best returns are not produced by trying to time the markets. That’s a fool’s game. Even investment professionals find it challenging. If your guy was really good at this, he’d be managing hedge funds and we’d be reading about him in the WSJ. You wouldn’t be able to afford him. :wink:

And more from the website: "Did you ever wonder why, during the 2008 market crash, all these mutual funds lost a ton of money? They weren’t all bad mutual funds, however, in an effort to prevent our economy from crashing every time there was a market correction, certain types of funds aren’t allowed to go to cash. After all, if billions of dollars worth of stocks were suddenly dumped, large swaths of the economy would probably go bankrupt overnight. So one of the big questions we ask is, “Can and will you go to cash during times of market volatility?” " < This is misleading. Stock funds are stock funds and bond funds are bond funds, for example. A stock portfolio manager’s job is to invest in stocks, not time the market. Same for a bond fund manager. I think this kind of hyperbole is fear mongering when targeted towards an individual investor.

What kind of credentials does your advisor have? A CFA, CFP, OR CPA? Most quality advisors will have one of these designations if they are committed to professional and ethical standards, a high level of investment knowledge, and continuing education in the field. I don’t see where the individuals at the firm you use have any.

The company is controlled by a few family members so I think that warrants taking a real close look. (Think Madoff and his family control.)

How are you measuring your portfolio performance and the performance derived from the advice received from and investment products recommended by your advisor? What benchmark are you comparing to and how often? You mention twice a year. I assume you have access to your portfolio and can see your current standing and your up-to-date return any day you want? I know I can with my Fidelity account (or Vanguard or Charles Schwab, etc if I had one) and it shouldn’t be any other way.

What fees are you paying to your advisor? Flat fee, fee based on assets under management? What are the fees on the products they are putting you into? Front end and back end loads? 12b1 fees? Higher than average expense ratios? If you don’t know, you should find out. You may be paying much more than you think to have your money managed and eroding your performance. From your post #7868: “Nationwide pays our agent (Don) which is a cost factored into the financial terms and conditions of the contract.” Nationwide isn’t paying Don, you are through Nationwide.

For those getting started in investing who want to gain knowledge, magazines like Money Magazine and Kiplinger’s can provide good introductory advice on investing. Add in a subscription to the WSJ, and you’ll learn a lot. Take a course by someone who isn’t trying to sell you something or sign you up for their services, someone with no “skin in the game”. Here’s a Kiplinger article on picking a financial advisor: http://www.kiplinger.com/article/investing/T023-C000-S002-must-have-credentials-for-a-financial-adviser.html

Until you really, really know an advisor and have gained a solid grasp of the ins and outs of investing (just the basic stuff, the individual investor doesn’t need the complicated stuff), I highly encourage you NOT to put all your eggs in one basket, or all your investment portfolio with one financial advisor.

All that said, your guy could be perfectly sound (although I’d check all those fees!) but make sure you are asking the right questions and gaining knowledge away from someone who is benefitting financially from you. I make these recommendations with the best intentions for you.

“Historically 80% of all significant market corrections have occured in the Summer and Fall, so you’d think that it would be prudent to pull your money out of the markets during those times, correct? When was the last time your stock broker ever told you to pull out of the markets? Probably never. You’ve probably switched stocks, and moved your money around, but protect it from known volatility? Never.” More: "80% of Bear Markets occur during the months of June, July, August, September and most of October*. "

Source please.

@DocT - My post might have been unclear in its formatting but that was verbage I pulled of Don the FA’s website.

Anything I put in quotes is not my words but from the website.

FMT Solutions is a marketing company. A marketing company to help financial advisors get clients.

http://www.fmtsolutions.com

My guy Don is not on whatever web site you are referring to @doschicos so all your posts about the web site are not referring to my FA. I didn’t ever use Don’s last name or his firm’s name.

The concerns from the others are raised because they don’t know what the fees are, what the returns are, what the diversity is, etc and several of them can manage their own portfolio due to their expertise and interest. So they question if I know enough about H and my investments and if our portfolio is making the returns it can. Also if the fees charged by adviser are ‘worth it’.

I agree with many of your comments, as to knowing your FA, credentials, etc.

We have been making adjustments and also adapted to changes. And we have more of our retirement nest egg in company 401k than with investments under Don, but the investments we have with Don have decreased our risk and improved our diversity and stability. H and I are still learning. But we sleep better at night. All indicators are good for us and we have a much higher amount saved (the 401k amount with our planned withdrawals is projected to last us to age 108) - and we also have excellent LTC insurance which is at a good value (for LTC ins…) We also have cash value life insurance that we also have as a resource. Our home will be paid for.

Maybe the annuities (the Allianz that we have had for a while) and this Nationwide product we purchased would not be what someone else would do, but we are reviewing our portfolio at the end of next week with Don.

Estate planning takes a lot of effort IMHO, just like this investment stuff.

And I subscribe to Money, Smart Money, Kiplinger’s etc.

As for the Nationwide product, yes they paid our FA - it states so in the Nationwide disclosure summary document that Don gave us. “How is my insurance or investment professional compensated? Nationwide pays the agent for selling this fixed indexed annuity to you. The commission is not deducted from your purchase payment but it is a cost that is factored into the financial terms and conditions of the contract.”

We since received the document that has more detail, so we will go over that with Don. No we didn’t read through the 13 page document when we last met with Don - we accepted Don’s verbal summary of the product and why it was good for us - because we have established a level of trust with him. As I said in my earlier post, we can ask Don more specific questions since we received the Annuity Contract from Nationwide.

And I agree there are a lot of FAs that have their own interest ahead of their client.

Being a good investment professional develops some good sleuthing skills. In this case, it wasn’t a challenge. Again, my post was made with good intentions. Asking more questions of an FA and going in with eyes open is always better than the alternative. Feel free to take or leave my comments. No harm, no foul. Perhaps they’ll benefit others who might be considering a financial advisor relationship. Wishing you financial success, @SOSConcern!

One of the FA we met with talked a lot about SWAN (sleep well at night) factors. We certainly can related to that.

I’m totally a sleep at night person. I would pass on those equity index annuities.

The FMT material was helpful to us. I knew it was purchased material. It does hit up the points potential clients are interested in and concerned about. Don’s firm is very independent, no way hooked with FMT “The workshop instructors are not employees or agents of FMT Solutions…FMT Solutions does not sell or endorse any insurance or investment products.”

I agree about needing good sleuthing skills.

No offense taken on comments - I do understand it can be like a needle in a haystack finding a ‘good’ FA.

CC wouldn’t let me edit - Don C from Huntsville AL that posted with FMT Solutions - yes that probably is my guy giving positive feedback as to the helpfulness of the material.

…Hee is promoting the company that wrote the marketing materials that enable him to put on educational seminars, which then leads directly to new clients.

It is like writing a good book review.

On the subject of financial advisors, anyone have someone to recommend in the Seattle area? Or maybe we should just carry on with our current plan of monthly contributions to Vanguard low cost mutual funds. We could have them manage it for a very low fee, however, we are just putting our monthly contributions in and not really selling or buying new things.

Bus driver, I call my rep at vanguard a few times a year, to discuss re distributions.

When the market crashed in 2008, that is when I decided to let fidelity manage my $$. I have more in Fidelity, and can go talk in person.

I’m older than you, and I like the idea of SWAN. I’m also single and don’t enjoy studying the market.

Last spring, we paid off our mortgage instead of parking the money in some fund(s). That turned out to be this money’s greatest SWAN song to date. :slight_smile: It definitely feels better to not have that debt. And the insurance company dropped our homeowner’s rate a tiny bit - it looks like they think that we are more vested in the house now than we were with 50% LTV. :slight_smile:

@bunsenburner, the feeling when we paid off our mortgage was priceless.

To change the subject a bit, has anyone taken RMD yet? If you have more than one retirement accounts to take RMD from, do you have to take it from each account or is it ok to take it from one account as far as the amount is correct?

@Iglooo, you can take it all from one account. As far as the IRS is concerned, your traditional and rollover (ie, non-Roth) IRAs are all one big account.

Our home interest rate is just 2.5%, so while it would be nice to stop those checks going out, it makes more global sense for us to keep it on several levels.

Any thing you can do to ‘manage’ the retirement funds to your needs. Ferreting out to find the right investments or FA will take some time and diligence, but once you are there, it takes ‘tweaking’. I would love to get at the place some on this thread are at with their assets and ease with ‘tweaking’.

As with any investment, fund manager, or FA, some may be better and some may be worse, but the people on this thread are quite intelligent and have built up some nice assets for their golden years.

FWIW, I put on my list for Don to ask about Seattle area Ed Slott Master Elite IRA Adviser or if he knows the type of credentialing to look for with FA. Will PM you @busdriver11 .

This is such a great thread - and my friend mom2ck is the one that thought to start it. She has a great mind too and is a wonderful person.