<p>Im not sure MaMoose… My stance is just basically to reduce the copious amounts of asians in the UC system. I dont think any public school has the right to have demographics that are pretty much the opposite of the states demographics, for some reason it just doesn’t seem right. Honestly does it seem right to you?</p>
<p>^Does it seem right to you that people of a certain skin color, should be expected to try harder than others to get into college? Seriously, what is this? I think this thread needs to die. You clearly have very strong socialist views and this isn’t the proper part of the forum to argue about politics.</p>
<p>Oop, remember there are A LOT of asains who read these forums, so you were bound to **** off a bunch of ppl by bringing this suggestion up. I personally respect the fact that you did bring it up, and I think it should be discussed more.</p>
<p>Oop does have a very strong view, but it’s not socialist.</p>
<p>Frankly, what seems least right to me is that over 13,000 qualified applicants may be denied admission to ANY UC/CSU this year. It’s that breach of the California educational promise that really bothers me.</p>
<p>Haha forsuree GoGators</p>
<p>I can definitely agree with that MaMoose.</p>
<p>Shiomi- I think this argument is extremely relative to what this site is all about, and I strongly disagree with you about my stance being socialist… Honestly I think people throw around the word socialist without actually being aware of what it means. But I respect your opinion and your discomfort in discussing controversial/important subjects.</p>
<p>Reading a lot of replies to Oop’s views reminds me of how whites first responded to AA when it was introduced. They were scared because they would get passed over for jobs/college by minorities. In this case, whites have become the minority, and the new “majority” race obviously has a problem with it. Seems like we’re goin in circles, idk…</p>
<p>Just because a group accounts 70% of demographics in California does not mean they should receive the same proportion of services from public institutions. Instead, these public institutions run under whats best for every Californian regardless of their skin color. Assuming whites account for 70% of all tax revenues of the government, does that mean public schools from K-12 should have 70% whites as well? Does that mean 70% of all patients in public hospitals and clinics should be white? Does that mean 70% of all civil servants in California should be whites? Does that mean the National Guard of California should have 70% of its members being white? </p>
<p>The problem with both of your views, GoGator and Oop, is the fact that you divide the people of California into different groups based on their race and believe the opportunities and services provided by the government should be proportional by their share in demographic pie chart. THIS IS NOT HOW OUR GOVERNMENT WORKS and goes down to the fundamental idea that EVERY member of a society should have equal opportunity given they or their parents pay their share of taxes. Most students, whites, Asians, blacks, Latinos, etc., in California all have the equal or at least similar opportunity to attend a UC. However, the results from given such opportunity can differ which reflects the disproportionate amount of whites and Asians in the UC system. It’s the year 2009 now, and the government and public institutions of California see each Californians as a Californian, not as white Californains, Asian Californians, etc. Regarding to UCs, the idea is that if it educates its top high school graduates, these future college graduates, no matter what race they are, will serve the state and ALL of its residents well. Now I said demographics because 70% of the population being white does not mean 70% of government revenues come from this group alone as another person stated out. From your intent, you are implying that the rich should have larger share of opportunities and services from the government. </p>
<p>Furthermore, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that such racial quotas are illegal. You may disagree with that, but the fact of the matter is the United States government, both federal and state, believe that racial quotas are wrong and illegal, and them endowed with the power and trust of appropriating taxpayer’s money, decides how taxpayer money should be used instead of being dictated by a pie chart of demographics. Of course taxpayers such as you can dictate how the government should use the money and whom to provide opportunities and services, and that was indeed decided upon by Californians with the passage of Proposition 209.</p>
<p>Exactly. You’ll end up with people being turned down by government services because of the colour of their skin (does this sound familiar??).</p>
<p>“Nope, sorry, too many Black people on this bus, you’re gonna have to get the next one”
“We can’t treat you at this hospital because you are Asian. Go bleed internally at some other hospital that hasn’t reached their quota”
“Sorry, you can’t join the army because you are White”</p>
<p>I know I’m not American, so maybe I’m wrong here, but this sounds like the opposite of what I thought Americans and their country stand for. It’s great that Oop and Gator are expressing their views, but I think they need to look closely into what they are wanting to have implemented.</p>
<p>America: Land of equal opportunity</p>
<p>Terms and conditions apply.</p>
<p>Also keep in mind that we can only admit students that submit an application to the UC system. Our process does not include a review for race. The application does ask for this information in an optional section to help with application statistics. Take a look at [Fall</a> 2008 application tables](<a href=“http://www.ucop.edu/news/factsheets/2008/08app.html]Fall”>http://www.ucop.edu/news/factsheets/2008/08app.html) for these statistics.</p>
<p>Well said BirdKiller… But what if we link it to England’s occupation of India in the early 20th century and manipulation of the ethnic majority (Eastern Indian people), their resources and economy to reeked benefits to a much smaller demographic of people… Are you saying that was alright? Similar situation in the UC system…</p>
<p>I think if the UC’s paid more interest into students coming out of public schools, the demographics would be more just… There are private schools in my county that have a 75% asian population and a average gpa of 4.5 (seems kind of like a rigged system?), and the graduates are fed into the top UC’s. Poor people cant afford private high schools that have corrupt grading system (soom are on a 6.0 scale)… Last year there was like 144,000 white public hs graduates, 143,000 latino public hs graduates, and 14,000 asian public hs graduates… yet the UC population of asians is more than whites and latinos… Kind of filthy. I think Private Universities should be able to get away with having a 60% asian student population, but public schools shouldn’t have that right when the asian population of the state is less than 12%.</p>
<p>But if you look at the Admissions statistics, Oop, 24% of the White applicants are from private school, while only 7% of the Asian American applicants are.</p>
<p>Huh… Whites constitute only 35% of the applicants, while Asian American, Pacific Islanders, and Filipino Americans constitute 32%. So how do the quotas work again? Population demographics or application demographics?</p>
<p>Maybe we should go back to the idea of evaluating individuals based on individual merit.</p>
<p>Oop, read my post again, specifically:</p>
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<p>To say the government in the U.S. and UC admissions is similar, or as you say “link it”, to that of the British Colonial system in India is quite a reach.</p>
<p>Oop, where are you getting your statistics?</p>
<p>In 2008, there were ~43,200 Asian American/Pacific Islanders who graduated from California public high schools.</p>
<p>Um… Aren’t we supposed to be a “colorblind” nation??</p>
<p>Who cares if more asians are enrolled in UC’s? What’s the big deal anyway?</p>
<p>^</p>
<p>true</p>
<p>You know, it’s a lil funny for me, I don’t really look at “race” I’m pretty weird in my ethnicity.</p>
<p>Get this:</p>
<p>I am Mexican (born in Mexico) I am JEWISH (family immigrated from Spain/France late 1800s) I have a half-asian dad thus making me Asian</p>
<p>Physically I have a lot European traits as Asian traits, but almost no Hispanic traits</p>
<p>I have straight/wavy hair, black hair, brown eyes, glasses.
small eyes, medium nose, light-brown skin</p>
<p>yeah</p>
<p>A Mexican Jewish who is half Asian</p>
<p>go figure…</p>
<p>^ …you sound like a Californian to me.</p>
<p>^… I came to Cali in 2002, I adapted in like 2 years.</p>
<p>lol, I’ve only spent 6 years of my life there.</p>
<p>Well, your ethnicity isn’t Mexican, because from I can tell, it doesn’t seem like your lineage traces back to Mexico. </p>
<p>‘Mexican’ would describe your nationality.</p>
<p>^
Totally, then again, you see, my dad is half asian/half mexican indian.</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Well then Haikumarukuchan you are technically more caucasian than asian… Genious</p>
<p>I believe the admissions should be based purely on SAT scores, and GPA. Like at Cal Poly SLO(demographically accurate to the state). I think with admissions involving subjects that can produce biased admissions, the system will be corrupt (no essays special considerations, clubs, ethnic clubs). That way applicants are purely based together in the same group with no special considerations…</p>
<p>Or match the demographics of the state: More whites, blacks, and latinos. NO MORE 60% asian UC’s! (UCI). . . . . .</p>