<p>I dont agree that admissions should be based on quotas. I think admissions are fair enough in that GPA/SAT are the most crucial factor in admissions. </p>
<p>I dont agree with using demographics for admissions. The argument that whites pay most of California’s taxes and hence should be given a much bigger quota makes admissions unfair. More Asians just happen to meet UC admission standards and get accepted. Like, shiomi said, I think they should be rewarded for their hard work.</p>
<p>‘Genius’ is not spelled with an ‘o’.</p>
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<p>Maybe he meant: “in terms of genes”. In any case, genious is not a word.</p>
<p>Wait, so, Oop is saying that he would like to see admissions based on SATs, GPA, etc. instead of race being a factor. Isn’t that how it is now? If not, wouldn’t that increase the Asian population further?</p>
<p>[edit]: It’s not like being Asian makes it easier for you to get in to a UC. I swear I read somewhere on these forums that showed the average GPA and SAT scores for each race, and the Asian scores were higher than any of the other races.</p>
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<p>Homo has two "o"s in it.</p>
<p>And anyway, as someone who is gay and lives in a country where homosexuality is illegal, I can tell you that gay-hate and the consequences of homophobia are not something you should take lightly and make fun of.</p>
<p>race is not a factor for uc applications because they do blind admissions, but for other schools, they do affirmative action</p>
<p>Oop, I knew a guy like you in high school. Haha, guess where he is now? He’s in prison for charges of racial hate crimes. That’s the last I heard of him anyway.</p>
<p>Me, I’m this guy’s
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big brother.</p>
<p>Pro tip from my friend ( from San Diego ) who attended and graduated from UCI with me:</p>
<p>If you Latinos would stop getting preggos before you were 17, more of you would be in good schools. She says she hates going home because it makes her feel awkward that 90% of the people she knew in high school have at least one child.</p>
<p>UCI does not factor in race; admissions are blind. I have confirmed this with two professors while I was discussing whether I should continue into graduate school. Maybe its just what they say, maybe its true I don’t know. However, I’m going to point out a few things.</p>
<p>Asian parents tend to be very controlling of their children. This is why they do better in schools than other racial denominations on a frequent and consistent basis. Maybe we have a genetic advantage. Different races are genetically different. Its true. But I doubt genetics have anything to do with Asian dominance in academics; this is a case of nature vs. nurture where nurture wins out. So where am I going? Asian parents are controlling. Even after their children are out of high school, they like to keep involved. As a result, they like their children to stay close to home. This is why UCI, UCR and somewhat UCSD have such large Asian populations. SURPRISE! Asian people live close to those schools! Arcadia, Temple City, Hacienda Heights, Rowland Heights, San Marino, etc. Lots of Asian people. And UCI / UCR are conveniently not too far away.</p>
<p>No, this is not the case for all Asians, but in my experience, it is very common for Asian students to have to put up quite a fight to have parental approval to go to any school out of a 100 mile radius unless its like Stanford or something.</p>
<p>AZNGOUFUS-
Pretty ironic you bring up me being racist when your first line generalizes that all latinos get pregnant before 17… Thats like saying all Asians have tiny *****’ (might be true tho)…</p>
<p>I do agree that Asian parents tend to be hard with their children… I disagree with your stance that Asians “dominate academics”… I think asians might get into some of the top schools but I dont see many winning Nobel Awards… </p>
<p>Haha, I think you would be amazed to find the UC system having a lot of Azn people from out of state and out of country, so I dont really agree with you about that…</p>
<p>If Asians are excel so much in academics why cant they get a higher student population in Harvard or the rest of the Ivy’s… Hmm maybe because top universities look at the intellect of the applicants rather than their raw toefl or sat2 chinese scores lol… </p>
<p>Im not a racist, I just think the public universities demographics should match the publics demographics lol…</p>
<p>I think China and North Korea should improve their University Systems so that people dont flood the UC’s… Maybe then there would be more educated and moral minded people running their Gov’ts, and less 60% asian UC’s (UCI).</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>Well I kind of agree with the whole “Asian parents are control freaks” but it’s obviously doing something right. I’m Mexican-American, seventeen, very NOT pregnant and my parents actually discouraged me from trying too hard in school (of course I didn’t listen). From what I have noticed, a lot of Mexicans place more focus on manual labor and family rather than school. In fact, the priorities in my family are: family, household chores, work, and then school. It kind of sucks when you actually want to learn.</p>
<p>When it comes to education, an Asian environment is more productive. However, my Chinese friend’s hair started turning white when we were in sixth grade so I don’t know what that means. </p>
<p>I don’t really see the problem with the UC’s though and don’t really think anything should be done about the Asian population. In fact, I’m more bothered by the greater percentage of females. Although I do think that UCSD’s formula for admitting students is probably one of the most unfair. However, it is one of the best public universities so they’re obviously doing something right. Same with the other UC’s. I think that UC’s should just not post race stats anymore or ask for them that way no one will officially know how diverse their UC is and can be surprised when they enroll.</p>
<p>Oop- I truly fail to see your logic concerning racial quotas in public schools. UC’s don’t even see the race of the applicants (although certain clubs or essays may give that information away), and if Asians have the best applications, then they deserve to get into these colleges.</p>
<p>Should we remove some of the white (and male) members of Congress, and force people to elect more minority (and female) Congresspeople, because since everyone pays for Congress’ salaries, it’s not fair that minorites (and women) have to pay for part of a white person’s (or man’s) salary!</p>
<p>BTW, Harvard is 19% Asian/Pacific Islander, well over the 4.4% of the general population.</p>
<p>Opp, just shut your mouth…
Your ignorance is appalling. Maybe you should do a little research and understand what you are talking about before opening your mouth.</p>
<p>Here I’ll spell it out for you.</p>
<p>Generally, Asians score better on SATs then Latinos. Generally, the API of Asian students is 200/1000 higher then Latinos.</p>
<p>Generally, Latinos get pregnant earlier and have more children then Asians do. This is based off of truth from viewing statistics on the general population. </p>
<p>There are more Asian students at the UC’s from instate than of out of state. </p>
<p>The percentage of Asians in Harvard is extremely high compared to the percentage of Asians in the United States.</p>
<p>You are being racist by saying that someone who is smarter and works harder should not be allowed into a good college because of their ethnicity.</p>
<p>I’m sorry, your living in the wrong country, racism is no longer cool in the US.</p>
<p>I’m wondering, can admissions officers see the name of the applicant?</p>
<p>If so, its pretty easy to figure out (or approximate) what race Tony Hernandez, Chu Nguyen, Jazelle Johnson, and Peter Winston are.</p>
<p>do</p>
<p>^ To DonaPerfecta</p>
<p>I truly understand what you mean, I come from a Mexican Immigrant family and my parents have strongly emphasize two options for my future
-Go to college and earn a degree OR
-Go get a job</p>
<p>It’s a simple as that, work is put a lot of emphasis because of economic hardships immigrants face in the US</p>
<p>That motivates me though and I mentioned it on a couple of my admissions essays.</p>
<p>AZNDOUFUS-Shut your dirty little mouth.</p>
<p>You obviously have a problem with latinos… Thats too bad. Im white and I have no problem with latinos. I feel like latinos are getting screwed over by Azns more than anyone.</p>
<p>I dont think you should try to correlate how smart people are by their SATs… Maybe someone can score a 800 sat2 chinese score, doesn’t make them smart… SATs are mostly garbage.</p>
<p>Listen carefully, Im going to help you try to understand my position…</p>
<p>If you were back in your homeland, China(im guessing)?, and you really wanted to go to the public university of China… Would you feel its fair that your public university was 80% white, despite the fact whites make up 1% of China. So 2 billion Chinese families are paying for the education of 60,000 white kids…Guessing you wouldn’t think thats a fair representation of the publics population in college. </p>
<p>It’s all good tho, AZN population in the UC system is bound to decrease in the future.</p>
<p>^
If everyone were blue and were united under one, utopian nation, we wouldn’t be having this problem.
Ugh, your hypothetical situations are so illogical, it’s kind of annoying.</p>
<p>Your posts really make it seem like you have a thing against asians. Your logic is about equal results, not equal opportunity, which I have to say is very wrong in my opinion. Many of the asians that go to college here in the US are american born, making them american as well.</p>
<p>Hispanics are in no way getting screwed over by the asians. If they lack the motivation and statistics to get into a good college, then they should settle for a lesser one and then work up from there. It’s all about how hard an individual works, not the color of his or her skin. There are a lot of colleges in America, not everyone can go to the better ones and even if one has to settle for a lesser one, they can still work to transfer to a better one later on and then instill the values of a good education and hardwork within their children, so that the next generation will be able to go to a good college on their first try. This is what many of the asians that have immigrated to America have done with their children.</p>
<p>The way I see it, your logic breeds laziness by spoonfeeding others to get into college. My parents were from the poorest of backgrounds. A family of peasant farmers, hardly any food to eat and as craptastic poor as you can imagine. Yet, through hardwork they were able to move up from that. Social Darwinism. It’s a fact of life, just accept it. </p>
<p>Hypothetical situation for a “Good” college:
Person A
3.9 GPA
19xx SAT
650 for both Subjects
Solid ECs
Asian</p>
<p>Person B:
3.2 GPA
15xx SAT
550 for both subjects
Hispanic
few ECs</p>
<p>So, the hispanic should be taken up over the asian, because there are too many asians at the school, despite the fact that the asian is obviously more motivated and has worked harder throughout high school?</p>
<p>While, I agree that the SAT should not be used to correlate with intelligence, I must also say that AznDoofus was probably referring to reasoning test scores and subject tests as a whole aside from the Chinese subject test.</p>
<p>^ I Actually believe in a way to make it “fair”</p>
<p>Okay, so let’ say we have all these ethnicities:</p>
<p>Caucasian
Asian
African American
Hispanic</p>
<p>Let’s say an institution accepts a proportionally equal number of each ethnicity</p>
<p>for example, 30% Whites, 30% Asian, 20% Hispanics, 20% AA and native americans</p>
<p>So let’s say, EACH ethnicity COMPETES within their ethnicity</p>
<p>so that way schools choice the ones they believe to fit their college by each ethnicity</p>
<p>so, in some ways they’ll be getting the best of each ethnicity</p>
<p>Thoughts on that? It’s a hypothesis</p>
<p>(And to Shiomi, not all hispanics have all those Stats, there are many who don’t get the same opportunities as other Asians i.e. go to bad schools, money issues, legal issues. There are many hispancis with 3.5_ GPA and 1500+ SAT, and 5+ECs and 500+ SAT IIs)</p>
<p>I agree for sure… Look at the Prison system, black population is over 50% yet there aren’t a great number of black lawyers to represent them… Each ethnicity competes with its own to fit in its own percentage of the college… That way its completely fair</p>
<p>^Of course not all hispanics have those stats. Person B doesn’t have to be Hispanic.
You have to understand that many asians go to bad schools, have money and legal issues.</p>
<p>I am an example of that, though my parents have worked VERY hard over the years to move to middle class. They came to this country with barely any money.</p>
<p>hey oop, did u get raped by the SAT’s or colleges u applied to because there are too many asians? :)</p>
<p>huh? Ren the maggot should work on his grammar. I didn’t do awesome on the Sat’s got like 570r 580m 590w, but honestly I think the SAT’s are bullsheet… </p>
<p>Writing- Stupid prompt that doesn’t even look at the context of your writing, graded by outdated elementary school teachers.</p>
<p>Math- No skill is needed for the math, you just have to avoid the gay little tricks they throw in.</p>
<p>Reading- Useless</p>
<p>Ren you probably pride yourself that you got above a 2000 SAT or something but guess what, it doesnt mean shiit besides the fact that you like taking it up the ass by collegeboard and having your worth and intelligence as a person graded as a number… LOL </p>
<p>Sorry I haven’t got raped by the colleges I applied to. I got into UCD today, haven’t been denied yet by a college. Work on your grammar, your SAT reading instructor would be sooooo displeased… lolz</p>