<p>What false information? The folks determined that this kid violated the code of conduct…and had a voicemail to prove the allegation against him. Anything else is a side show.</p>
<p>I think this kid needs to accept that he recorded a voicemail that people interpret as threatening. He should keep his head low and not do that again, and stop trying to blame the situation on anyone else. He recorded the voicemail. No one forced him to do it.</p>
<p>Speaking to others in the community I have learned that S’s college treats any code violations harsher than the majority of schools out there. I don’t disagree that people have to take responsibility for their actions. But imposing penalties that are harsher than those imposed by a criminal court on a first time offender does not serve an “educational” purpose for the violator as the school claims. All that said, there may be no other choice but to take that pill and hope he can survive it until he is able to transfer.</p>
<p>Thank you all for your input. Will post when we have a final determination.</p>
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<p>Thanks ucbalumnus. I wasn’t very clear. Was not defending anyone at al;, but if the kid thinks that the young woman also violated the code by “passing false infomation” that would not be hard to prove. Proving that would most likelu not vindicate him though.</p>
<p>Unless he has an anger management issue I’m not sure why he would want to transfer. Presumably he can steer clear of this girl and not do anything that would cause the suspension to change from defer. If anything it’s the sword of Damocles and it would cause him to be thoughtful as a person the next three years. As a parent I think I could stomach that outcome. Perhaps she did harass him into him losing his temper, but if he has no evidence then he’s learned a large life lesson and when he graduates there is no harm no foul as long as he has written guarantee that it won’t be reflected in his transcript or carry into his future endeavors. </p>
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<p>It would not. But two wrongs are two wrongs, so if both are found to be in the wrong, both deserve to be penalized.</p>
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<p>However, if she walks around his dorm floor or is in the same classes, she can easily get him into trouble. The “stay away” requirement needs to exclude incidental contact in his own dorm or in his classes.</p>
<p>Typically, pre-med students take the MCAT in late spring (or early summer) of Junior year, apply to med school in the summer or fall of senior year, and find out about acceptance in the spring of senior year. The whole process takes a year. So he would stiil have the incident on his transcript during the med school application and interviewing process which could very well be the kiss of death. If the incident is removed from his transcript upon graduation, he would need to wait a year and apply for med school after he graduates and use that year to gain more experience (research, volunteer, etc…). Not the end of the world. Many students wait a year or more before applying to med school. I would highly discourage him from applying while this is still on his transcript.</p>
<p>If he transfers he would lose his scholarship, and the deferred suspension would be on his transcript for how long?? Would it ever be removed if he transfers? </p>
<p>The above information^^^ is just plain wrong.</p>
<p>AMCAS Instructions to Applicants 2015 states on page 28 re: Institutional Actions:</p>
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<p>Most secondary applications (which are school-specific) will also ask about IAs as well as any and all arrests and convictions. Students are required to disclose these— even if the incident has been sealed (as in a juvenile record) or, in some cases. legally expunged. </p>
<p>I agree with you ucb about the need for separation, but if the OP’s son makes it clear that he wants to be away from this woman and she infringes then that is a different issue. I’ve known plenty of couples that are oil and water and really can’t be around each other. My H had a particularly volatile relationship prior to meeting me which I heard about from his friends when i started dating him. Hard for me to believe until i witnessed others with volatile relationships. As I said, unless the OP’s son has a anger management issue this situation might never occur again in his life. It seems a shame to “give up” on this college if they can work out a situation where the OPs son and this woman aren’t in close proximity where they would be alone. </p>
<p>The girl may be a manipulative, vindictive liar who didn’t really feel threatened, but realized that she could get him on this as soon as she heard the message. I have a friend whose D would do something exactly like that. She’s a sociopath who is fond of false abuse claims. They are certainly out there, albeit very rare. But even if she is, your S has learned an unfortunate lesson about allowing such people to jerk your chain to the point that you lose control.</p>
<p>From the sounds of the med school info given above, he would be better off staying at the school than transferring, since he will be able to say accurately that it was expunged by the college–which gives some idea that they didn’t consider it really, really serious–and he will be able to present his case regarding the provocation, his intent, and the lesson he learned about governing one’s temper.</p>
<p>I do think that he should consider preparing a letter that explains the provocation, but says he will accept the penalty since he realizes that he lost his temper but has been advised that complaining about her offense will avail him nothing. At least he would be on record. Frankly, I wouldn’t broach the subject of classes, because their reaction might be to force HIM out of HER classes, making him take second choices for the next couple of years. That would not be a good result. Same thing with dorms. They would most likely make HIM move. He should definitely make it a point not to set foot in HER dorm. Ever.</p>
<p>Hmmm, so a deferred suspension has to be reported on med school apps regardless of it no longer being on the transcript. In that case, he should stay at his current school if possible. I’m sorry your S is going through this. It’s a tough life lesson.</p>
<p>Does this mean that medical school becomes even less likely? Seems that US medical schools are so selective that they can auto reject any applicants with defects like disciplinary records without losing out from their standpoint.</p>
<p>If so, then he may want to look even more at other career paths (which he should consider anyway, since most premeds do not get into medical school).</p>
<p>The effect of an IA on a med school application will depend on a number of factors–</p>
<p>1) the length of time between the offense and med school application (the longer the better)</p>
<p>2) the type of offense (acts of violence against others–this includes making threats of violence–and violations of honesty/ethics are considered more serious than than, say, petty property crimes or underage drinking)</p>
<p>3) whether the individual has taken ownership for his actions and can demonstrate s/he has learned from the incident and has taken steps to remediate the underlying problem/behavior. </p>
<p>IAs are not necessarily the kiss of death for med school, but they definitely are a blemish [of varying significance/severity] on an applicant’s record. </p>
<p>I would second UBB’s recommendation the OP’s son look at other potential careers. Med school admission is never a sure thing–even for highly qualified applicants. </p>