HS Junior going to Chicago! What colleges, which shows...help?

<p>Hello! As I said, I’m a junior and I’m arriving in Chicago March 25 (Tuesday evening) and leaving March 29 (Saturday evening). The main reason, of course, is to visit colleges (we didn’t especially plan on Chicago, but my dad has to go there for some type of class, and he asked if my mother and I would like to go, which of course was a resounding YES). There are a few schools in Illinois that I really like (I’m looking at schools within a few hours from Chicago - we’ll have a rental car), including Roosevelt, Northwestern, Illinois Wesleyan, and Millikin. </p>

<p>But I know there are more that I haven’t looked into yet! North Central, Rockford, Illinois State, Western Illinois State…ah! Obviously I don’t have time to visit all of these schools (by the way, I’ve checked and the only one of the aforementioned that will be on spring break is Northwestern. Would it be worth it to visit?)…how many do I have time to visit - even if I do kind of an abbreviated visit? </p>

<p>Tips? Information on any of these schools? Any help would be wonderful!</p>

<p>Oh yes, and of course, any recommendations on shows? I’ve looked at broadwayinchicago.com and have either seen the ones they have listed or have no interest in them. Anywhere else I can go to find which shows are playing?</p>

<p>Thanks so much!</p>

<p>I dunno if this falls on your list of shows you’ve seen already or those you don’t want to see, but if it’s the latter of the two I HIGHLY recommend you see Jersey Boys. I saw it during Unifieds and it was absolutely brilliant - it reminded me why I want to spend the rest of my life doing musical theater.</p>

<p>I actually would really like to see Jersey Boys, but the price for tickets is a little insane! So unfortunately, that is not an option. :(</p>

<p>I believe Jersey Boys offers rush tickets now for around $20. They might be partial view though (I am not sure of the details).</p>

<p>Also, Northwestern is on spring break during the time you are coming so unfortunately there won’t be anything going on around campus while you are here. But it should be beautiful and you can still come and see everything.</p>

<p>Wicked/Jersey Boys.</p>

<p>So good.</p>

<p>I got front row seats for 20 bucks, a bit partial view, but there 20 bucks and they look at you! haha</p>

<p>NinnyNoodle - being from Chi-town let me give you my thoughts on the schools you mentioned and some others. Here’s a list and this is strictly my opinion:</p>

<p>MT:
Northwestern - if you are not in the top 10 percent of your high school class and have around a 28 on your ACT then you may not even qualify for an audition. You actually have to be granted one based on several things, you just don’t fill out an application and sign up for an audition. Also, it’s about as expensive as it gets so you may want to ask your parents about their budget or consider how much debt you want to take on. If you meet all the above requirements then (in my opinion there is no finer school). I also want to be clear that I’m not saying don’t try but this is a tuff school to get into(Most good ones are).</p>

<p>Roosevelt - Good reputation, connected to downtown Chicago theatre circuit. They hold auditions all over the country so this is another one that is very tuff to get into. Considering this is the only conservatory program in Chicago I’m personally not that impressed with the credentials of the faculty. It’s certainly worth a visit if you are downtown. I’d talk to current and former students (like anyplace you visit) and get a feel for their program. We have a friend that received his Masters degree in theatre there and he was not all that impressed with the education he received.</p>

<p>Illinois Wesleyan - This is a fine place to get an education. Their program is small and intimate. They expect a freshman class of about 10. The campus is gorgeous , the faculty is very friendly and the students have nothing but good things to say about the school. They have an impressive list of former graduates. They also said that about 90 percent of their students graduate in 4yrs and that last year 25 of 28 graduates got jobs in the industry after graduation.</p>

<p>Illinois State - This is right next to Illinois Wesleyan (next town over). Good school, nice facilities. Haven’t heard a word good, bad or indifferent.</p>

<p>Millikin - We have a close friend that goes there and she is a senior. She was granted a scholarship to the MT program but changed her major during her first year (never really got a clear explanation why). There are many posts on this board that are not real positive about this school. Look them over maybe you can find some positive ones :)</p>

<p>BFA Acting:</p>

<p>DePaul - Very impressive Alumni, good reputation
UIC - The faculty has amazing credentials, impressive Alumni
U of I - solid school, solid program
Bradley - we have a friend there and he loves it. Fine school.</p>

<p>Hope this helps!</p>

<p>^^^There is no audition to be admitted into Northwestern University.</p>

<p>You can also go to Hot tix to see a list of discounted shows…I have gotten great seats to various tours that were visiting Chicago at great prices…A fun show to see is Altar Boyz and tickets can be found at Hot Tix…Have a good time.
North Central College in Naperville is a good school of you are planning to major in something besides MT but still want to do shows or minor in Theatre. They are building a new theatre and you only audition for a talent award.</p>

<p>Regarding partial view Jersey Boys seats:</p>

<p>When I went, my friend bought partial view seats and was in the very back of the main floor. There’s an upper deck to the set, and whenever they were up there she could only see them from their knees down. Something to consider.</p>

<p>MTDad might have been talking about an audition for the music school (which you do need an audition). I am not sure if they prescreen or anything like that though.</p>

<p>^^^ Maybe so, but I was talking about theater and assumed the OP was interested as well in musical theater.</p>

<p>NinnyNoddle/Soozievt - Northwestern does not offer a BFA in MT just a certificate. According to a friend whos D is auditioning there they had to get accepted to the school and(theatre or Music department) first based on their application/ resume/ Essay’s etc. and then they are allowed to audition for the 30 spots. If my previous post or this is inaccurate I apologize, best thing to do as always is to call the school. Can anybody out there clarify this?</p>

<p>if you like a small campus feel and a very friendly atmosphere you deffinately should look at Illinois Wesleyan. it is my top choice for school next year. i am still waiting to hear from them though.</p>

<p>MTDad, if you want to go into MT at Northwestern, and yes, it is a BA, first you apply as a freshman. If you are a theater applicant, there is NO audition to be admitted to Northwestern as a freshman. However, AFTER your freshman or sophomore year, you may audition for the MT Certificate program. Not all who entered as freshmen in theater make it into the MT Certificate program but they may continue on in Theater. The MT Certificate program draws from both the theater and music freshmen and sophomores who audition. An applicant entering as a FRESHMAN does not audition into theater or the MT Certificate program. Again that audition takes place at the end of freshmen and sophomore years, for those seeking MT.</p>

<p>I have had students apply and am familiar with the school and again, the audition for the MT Certificate is not as an entering freshman. Acceptance into Northwestern, even for those interested in theater and MT through the theater department is based on the usual process of college admissions and no audition. To get into the MT Certificate program, you must audition at the end of your first or second year. </p>

<p>There IS an audition to get into Northwestern’s School of Music for Voice and Opera freshmen applicants.</p>

<p>Thanks for clearing that up, it’s possible that our friend is auditioning for voice but I thought it was theatre. How do they pick the acting students without an audition? BTW, if you don’t mind me asking where are you a College Counselor?</p>

<p>Northwestern is a top program for theater. While there is no audition, there are many indicators in someone’s background that can demonstrate their strengths and suitability for the program. I know kids who either attend Northwestern or who have been admitted, who also get into the likes of NYU Tisch or UMichigan for MT but wanted a BA program. I know kids going to schools such as Brown or Yale, for example, who also have gotten into top BFA programs but preferred a BA. These schools are loaded with talented theater and MT students. I recently attended a musical at Brown (I have a child who goes there) and the talent in the show was on the level of many BFA productions I have seen. My D has one friend at Northwestern who has been on Broadway even. There are strong student applicants who are very accomplished in theater and one look at their background will tell you a bunch. Also, at Northwestern, to get into the MT Certificate Program, there is an audition and not all the theater students who want to be in that program will get into it. But again, the audition for MT is after the first and second years in the program. </p>

<p>To answer your question, I am a College Counselor for regular college admissions, theater, MT, and arts admissions here at College Confidential. I counsel students and their parents from across the country (or out of the country).</p>

<p>soozievt - you said “there are many indicators in someone’s background that can demonstrate their strengths and suitability for the program”.</p>

<p>Could you be more specific? For example do you mean what you’ve been in on your resume, theatre camps, performing arts high schools?</p>

<p>Thanks!</p>

<p>MTDad777, I know that I am going to be on a slippery slope to “go there” because I can already see any comments I make as being misinterpretted to imply that you NEED these benchmarks to get in and you do NOT. However, when someone has certain things on their record, it can demonstrate strengths. You can be very very strong and not have some of these things on your record due to lack of opportunities or whatever. So, you don’t need X, Y, or Z to get in but I’m saying that when a candidate has X, Y, or Z on an application, it can show indicators of strength.</p>

<p>Let me also be VERY clear that we are discussing BA admissions and NOT BFA admissions (the latter having an audition that counts a whole lot). In BA admissions, for one thing, you are not necessarily applying for admissions into a major. Usually, there is no committment when you apply, to have to do a certain major. You often indicate an interest in a major but are not tied to it and do not declare the major upon entering but rather, at the end of the first or second year. And thus, the review of an application for a BA is not THAT heavily weighted on things related to the major, other than demonstration of interest in it and evidence of having explored it, and so forth. So, how talented you are in theater is not necesarily paramount when applying to a BA as it is more the total of many factors. </p>

<p>So, what I mean as far as strengths on a BA application…first, if it is a very selective college (example, Northwestern), the student needs to have stats that are in the ballpark for that school…SAT/ACT, SAT Subject Tests (if required or recommended), class rank (or distribution within the class), rigor of coursework chosen in the context of what is available at the student’s HS (selective colleges prefer to see a rigorous class load taken), and GPA. Once a student is relatively in the ballpark (and way more applicants are than they can take), there are many other factors that come into play. Good essays matter. Great recommendations really help. Then there are the extracurricular activities. They want to see commitment to select activities over time and a certain level of participation and contribution to that activity. Then, there are achievements within those activities. Achievements need not be official awards either. Qualities like leadership, drive and initiative matter. </p>

<p>So, say an applicant interested in pursuing theater in a BA school, has the stats to get in and all that stuff. One would look at their activities and pursuit of their interests and achievements in those areas. If I were looking at a student who had been immersed in taking classes or lessons in the field, had been in productions with significant roles (not all roles need to be significant but having stood out in their local area is an indicator to some degree), had perhaps won some adjudications of some sort or another on their state, regional or national level, had played significant roles in the region outside of school or perhaps in a summer program drawing from a talented pool from all over, had some leadership initiatives in the field (created a show, started a student run company, directed something, etc.), and so on, I would have some benchmarks that would indicate deep interest and commitment and talent. You do not have to win awards or have X number of lead roles to get into a BA program. But when one reads a file where a student has a lot of these things, there is some indication that they have the talent and drive to have achieved what they have so far, along with training, etc. That doesn’t mean others are not every bit as talented. It just would be harder to know of their talent on paper. </p>

<p>I view lots of kids’ resumes. Some have had more opportunities than others. But frankly, the kids with achievements on their resumes have had more success than the ones who have less significant achievements. Kids who have achieved very little locally or even in their own high school have not fared as well as kids I know who have won state and national awards, have played many lead roles both locally and in wider talent pools such as summer programs, have possibly worked professionally and the like. Again, I cannot emphasize enough that you do NOT HAVE TO HAVE ACHIEVED ALL THOSE THINGS TO GET IN. But I am saying for the kids who have certain dedication, leadership, and achievements, often those kids HAVE gotten in and so that is what I meant by being able to ascertain some level of ability just by looking at the total application file and background. </p>

<p>I know a lot of kids in this field…both through my child, her BFA program, her theater camp, and then all of my clients. For instance, let me mention some kids I know at Yale or at UMich or NYU…many of these friends have won NFAA awards (you do not need to win one to get in, please know this!!!), several have won state level awards either for thespians or voice, all of them have played lead roles many times over both locally and in strong talent pools at summer programs, some have done professional work, and many are movers and shakers and leaders who have led their own initiatives at school and beyond in their community in starting theater groups ,directing shows, writing shows, choregraphing shows and what not. All had different types of opportunities available to them but all of them rose to the top in their local area or school (I cannot think of any exceptions). If you are applying to either a top BFA program or a top BA school (ie., Northwestern, Brown, etc.), please know that you are “competing” against kids who have achieved at least locally (if not state or nationally) and there are a LOT of kids out there who have done so. So, for instance, if one kid’s record has multiple leads at school, regional theater and summer programs and awards locally and nationally and another kid has done very little but take voice, no dance classes and just school theater and been ensemble every time, they likely are not competing on the same level. That is without the audition. Again, you do NOT need those things on your resume to get in!!! But what I am saying is that someone who does have these things on the resume usually has the talent to back it up because their experiences have led to a certain level of skill that makes them competitive. It isn’t the resume that gets you in but the skills and so forth and if there is no audition, often what is on paper can demonstrate a certain level of achievement and devotion and training and so forth to indicate that there is likely talent behind it. Selective BA schools are looking for highly motivated achievers who will do great things on their campus. If the student has done some great things before college, it indicates they may continue on that path in college. That’s all.</p>

<p>Let me give you one example. My D attended a theater camp that draws from the entire country and even other countries. The level of talent there varies widely. However, there are some VERY talented kids in the entire group. From years of observations, I can tell you that the kids who have played leads there and been in their select cabaret troupe (MT) whom I know, have all gone onto very well known BFA programs or highly selective BA programs (some wanted a BA). I know many others there who have never risen out of ensemble. I even work with some of these kids. Many of them are not getting into the same schools as the other kids. It is not black and white and there are exceptions but I can say that the results seem to correlate a bit with what they have on paper. What they have on paper is not what gets them in, however, but it is the skills and attributes that have been acquired to have had those experiences and achievements that have translated into admissions into the more selective BFA and BA schools. To me, this is really a no brainer. It is like one kid gets straight A’s and another is a C student. I don’t expect them to land at the same colleges necessarily. Exceptions exist, however.</p>

<p>Does anyone know about Northern Illinois University’s program? It’s not even mentioned when people discuss BFA programs or for that fact Theatre programs in Illinois. Info appreciated.</p>

<p>NIU is one of the closest colleges to our HS and and I don’t know anyone that has even auditioned there. Half the kids in our neighborhood go there for many other majors. I have not heard good things regarding their theatre department and my Ds drama teacher said don’t bother. However, I recommend you call, visit and do your own research as sometimes things change and “word of mouth” is not always accurate.</p>