HS threatens fine, etc if students don't report college app outcomes

<p>What do you think about this practice? The HS is fining kids and telling them they will not graduate unless they report their rejections, acceptances, WL, etc. Is this even legal? I understand they need to know where to send the final transcript, but not so sure that they MUST know the rest. This practice suggests that the HS owns this data. This is a public HS with extremely limited college counseling capacity.</p>

<p>This is the internet, there is an easy way to fix this:</p>

<p>Post the name of the HS.</p>

<p>I'm not sure what the harm is in providing this information. Perhaps they are trying to improve their college counseling? Imposing a fine seems a bit heavy handed, however.</p>

<p>Well, how do they use this data? That's the first big question. If it's to help future classes and give an accurate list of acceptances for the school profile and the data is kept anonymous, that's one thing. If the school's college counseling capacity is extremely limited, this could be a huge help. Different if you are concerned that the school won't be a good guardian of your student's data. Why is the school having difficulty collecting this data?</p>

<p>I've no idea if what they're asking for is legal, but if you feel concerned, you could report data which isn't quite, uhm, complete or accurate. :)</p>

<p>"Is this even legal?"</p>

<p>In our public high school, no. I am certain that such a gambit would never be attempted because of the liklihood of a legal challenge and the excellent chance that it would cost the school district substantially more than they ever dreamed of collecting through the fines. However, not knowing where your high school is located or anything about your state laws, I guess anything is possible.</p>

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<p>I think it is a horrible practice. I would not do it.</p>

<p>My kids attend a large public hs and they do ask us to e-mail the GC with all results so that they can update Naviance. But there are no penalties if you do not do so and to fine kids - ridiculous. I can't see how the hs has any legal ground here. Reporting data helps the next years' class - so it is a nice thing to do - but for those who want to keep their results to themselves - that should be your right.</p>

<p>^^ I agree that the practice is horrible. That said, why can't they just rely on the good will of the student to honestly provide that information? They can reassure that the information that they provide to counselors will be kept confidential in terms of identifying individual students. I think that some schools send a letter letting counselors know the names of students that were accepted (I could be wrong, but I read about this on cc).</p>

<p>It is a huge violation of privacy, and no way would we comply or pay the fines. I'm not a "litigation-crazy" person, but on this one, we would see them in court.</p>

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why can't they just rely on the good will of the student to honestly provide that information?

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<p>Saying that they're going to fine a kid or not let them attend graduation if they don't give the information would be enough to make me NOT want to provide the information.</p>

<p>No way should one be forced to do this. At my son's high school, they compile a list at the end of every year. They use only GPA's and SAT/ACT scores to show who got in where (Cal State Schools, UC's and Private Universities). They give this list to the junior class so that they can use the information as they decide where to apply. However, no one is forced to give any information.</p>

<p>northeastmom - yes - some colleges do send a letter to the GC stating admissions decisions for every applicant. Some colleges also have counselor portals where the GC can creat an account - monitor that the college has all needed documents for applicants from their hs and later on - view the final admissions decisions. So yes, GCs can gather some of this info without the student's help. But many schools do neither, so it is helpful when the students give the GCs the results - but I have never heard of a hs threatening students in such a manner.</p>

<p>I can't see a school forcing students to do this. On the other hand, I can't see a student/family not being willing to share results with their guidance counselor.</p>

<p>SlitheyTove, I agree with you. I don't think that threats are necessary or proper. I would think that explaining that the information would be used to help counselors and future seniors, and adding that individual names will be kept confidential, should be enough to create some good will.</p>

<p>I don't see how they can possibly keep a student from graduating for not sharing this information. Aren't the requirements for graduation spelled out in writing somewhere? Their threats to keep a student from graduating would raise my suspicions. When pushed hard people tend to push back. The school would be better served by requesting the information be submitted on a voluntary basis, explaining why is it being requested, and ensuring privacy.</p>

<p>I don't think it is legal for them to require this but if they don't get this from most students, as noted by rockville mom, how can they have Naviance results?</p>

<p>One correction--school is saying kids who do not fully report results can be fined and cannot participate in graduation ceremony-- I guess school realized they can't keep a kid from graduating over this. </p>

<p>School uses general data in reports at meetings where public can attend, announces college matriculations and lists these in Profile and on school webpage, all without individual names. But it is a small community and word can get out. Kids still smarting over WL and rejections may not want to report these. Kids who were accepted where friends were rejected may not want to have it known, particularly if they are not matriculating there. I assume the school wants bragging rights and counselling wants to boost their reports.</p>

<p>I do question the practice, and am asking, who legally owns this information, the student or the school?</p>

<p>I'm assuming that the kids in that school are like many of the ones in the school my sons went to: They are self centered and won't even provide GCs and teachers who wrote reccs info about their college app results. </p>

<p>Somehow the kids don't care that this info is a way of showing appreciation and of providing help to the students coming behind them.</p>

<p>I don't have a problem with a high school's twisting students' arms to get this info. Of course the GCs at such a school wouldn't be good at offering help with colleges if the students don't let the GCs know about their applications' results.</p>

<p>I don't think they simply want the information for "bragging rights" or to "boost their reports."</p>

<p>For one thing, many school profiles that get sent out to colleges with the transcripts of applicants, list where graduates have been accepted. The more information the HS gathers, the more accurate the school profile is which benefits all applicants. Further, if the school uses Naviance, or even if it doesn't, it helps GCs to know results in order to guide the next group of students to know what sort of students from that particular HS get into certain colleges or not. Lastly, I think a GC deserves to know this information after helping the student in some capacity with their college process.....at the minimum, having written a rec report for the student or having gone over the college list with the student. So, as a parent, I do think sharing this information with your GC is something positive and what one should do. I don't think the school can force you or make you pay a fine or give consequences if you don't comply.</p>

<p>(I cross posted with NSM....agree....same idea)</p>

<p>I'd be happy to have my son or daughter share the information - right up to the time that they make a threat. </p>

<p>A note like this, saying share or you don't get to walk at graduation would have me saying forget it!!! I would be calling the school board first and if that didn't work, seeing them in court. I can't imagine that it would hold up.</p>