<p>For those interested </p>
<p>[DailyTech</a> - Myth of Consensus Explodes: APS Opens Global Warming Debate](<a href=“http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=12403]DailyTech”>http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=12403)</p>
<p>Here’s an excerpt…
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<p>So I’m supposed to take the word of a failed British conservative politician with no degrees in science, who once said about AIDS: “there is only one way to stop AIDS. That is to screen the entire population regularly and to quarantine all carriers of the disease for life. Every member of the population should be blood-tested every month … all those found to be infected with the virus, even if only as carriers, should be isolated compulsorily, immediately, and permanently.” </p>
<p>[Christopher</a> Monckton, 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Monckton%2C_3rd_Viscount_Monckton_of_Brenchley]Christopher”>Christopher Monckton, 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley - Wikipedia)</p>
<p>Can you say crackpot?</p>
<p>Thank you, momof2inca, for saving me the trouble of researching this guy.</p>
<p>My pleasure. It’s a slow news day. :)</p>
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<p>Are you saying that wouldn’t work?</p>
<p>636</p>
<p>While extreme that view of containing AIDS would have nipped it in the bud and saved everyone Billions in related healthcare costs not to mention lives. If it had been handled from the start likely a deadly communicable disease with all that entails–as we do with similar diseases, we would be much better off today. Instead it became a political issue.</p>
<p>Yeah, barrons, because everything is all about money. Not freedom or anything, just money. Not dignity, just money. Not leaving the earth a better, cleaner place, just about opening up the money floodgates so that everyone can make and especially keep more money. Not having an open, vigorous mind that retains its flexibility even into older age and even when there might be sacrifice involved or… dare I say it, changes!.. it’s just about being “right” so that there can be more money. Ugh.</p>
<p>What about the freedom of the individual to not contract HIV/AIDS? What about the freedom of medical workers to not be put at risk as a result of the irresponsibility of others? Do people in these fields not already make sacrifices for the betterment of others and society as a whole?</p>
<p>It’s not all about money, but the money that was/is going to treat the symptoms (not the cause) of AIDS could have been much better used for many other purposes.</p>
<p>Just because you want everyone to summarily dismiss an idea because you do doesn’t mean it’s going to happen.</p>
<p>636</p>
<p>I am happy that they are revisiting this case, the way Al Gore is behaving you might think that he is an expert on climate. I was really surprised that he got the Nobel Prize. </p>
<p>If his argument was not valid, the society would not have reopened the debate. This is what happens in academia, when new arguments are presented we, we ought to test them before we dismiss them.</p>
<p>I said money and lives. And yes money counts too. My wife works in healthcare in an area that requires dealing with many AIDS infected people. She lives in fear of a split glove or accidental puncture. That’s not good for anyone.</p>
<p>If the Earth is following the same trends as other planets (especially ones without people) and this is because of the Sun’s activity, obviously we are not causing any kind of global warming. </p>
<p>His claim will not be blindly accepted by crunchies, they will try and prove him wrong. If there is any evidence he is wrong they will shout it from the rooftops. </p>
<p>636</p>
<p>(And isn’t Al Gore also a failed politician? Are we using that as scientific evidence now?)</p>
<p>People like you are the reason we have millions of people dead from AIDS and millions more sick taking money away from many other diseases we could beat if not so much was being sucked up by the AIDS industry.</p>
<p>^^ Wow, barrons, that is pretty harsh commentary. I suppose we could have shipped off all the men, women and children who contracted AIDS in the 1980s and put them on an island like they used to do to the lepers and just left them to rot while we waited out their demise, safe in our own callous paranoia… but thankfully we didn’t and most people with AIDS can live full productive lives.</p>
<p>And thankfully millions more have died, and everyone else gets to live in fear of AIDS because we didn’t. Hooray!!</p>
<p><strong>O</strong>____ (hey look, it’s a tangent.)</p>
<p>636</p>
<p>636, if choose to live in fear of contracting a disease that is almost entirely preventable through safe-sex practices and that affects .22% of all U.S. women and .77% of all men (that’s LESS THAN ONE PERCENT, in case you missed the decimal point), than I can’t really help ya. </p>
<p>And to use the words “thankfully millions more have died” at the beginning of a post negates just about anything you could possibly say afterwards. (And yeah, I get that it was sarcastic.)</p>
<p>Nice job making your opinions irrelevant.</p>
<p>Oh yeah, well I say your opinions don’t matter and that you prove yourself wrong without offering any evidence whatsoever.</p>
<p>And now, we are 4. good job.</p>
<p>636</p>
<p>Most people with AIDS have it because we did not treat it as we should have when it first broke out. And most don’t live productive lives. Many are on Medicaid and SSI as my wife treats them every day and does their paperwork. Your grossly hysterical portrait of how we treat dangerous diseases is ridiculous. What you do have is detailed contact tracing, mandatory testing, and constant follow-up.</p>
<p>And AIDS is not just a US disease. Worldwide many millions have died.</p>
<p>[AIDS</a> to be 3rd leading cause of death - USATODAY.com](<a href=“http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2006-11-27-aids-study_x.htm]AIDS”>http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2006-11-27-aids-study_x.htm)</p>
<p>Of course, the APS has not changed its stance on global warming:
In other words: just more disinformation from th folks who have no respect for science or simple acuracy - and faithfully repeated by the denial blogs and eventually echoed here.</p>
<p>The actual stance of the APS:
How hard do folks have to want to believe that the science behind climate change predictions is just a conspiracy, etc. cooked up by Al Gore and other evil people to continue to swallow this blatant tripe over and over and over again? Wake up, guys - the people feeding you this denialist crap are* liars.* They’re using the same tactics as the tobacco companies did thirty years ago. In many cases it’s the same propagandists as the tobacco companies used.</p>
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<p>Please tell us how we should have treated AIDS. </p>
<p>And my grossly hysterical portrait was referencing NOT just how we treat dangerous disease, it was referencing the bottom line of the far-right agenda (which apparently includes shipping off people with contagious diseases into permanent exile and believing the ‘science’ of failed British politicians who have degrees in classics), and that agenda is: money. Plain and simple.</p>