<p>Honestly, I don't like the whole acronym thing, but who here is with me in that the P should be for Penn?</p>


<p>Though I hear Princeton is a pretty decent school ;)</p>

<p>Wait a few more years and it will change</p>

<p>Penn is absolutely fanastic. So is Princeton. There are two solutions to this problem</p>

<li>Just make P stand for both Pton and Penn</li>
<li>Make it HYPSWM- W is for Wharton</li>

<p>^Nice solution. ;)</p>

<p>But Princeton's food gives it an edge, I think.</p>

<p>No need to add wharton to the hypsm acronym, everyone knows its always been at the same level, its simply not a university.</p>

Ya ur rite.</p>

<p>LOL. Penn's admit rate twice as high as Princeton's.
Penn is bottom Ivy.</p>

<p>Whyp sounds nice</p>

<p>The only variations I've heard of are HYPSM and very rarely HYPW. Latter from finance guys only. I don't see Penn included in there anytime soon. HYP or HYPSM are schools virtually everyone has heard of internationally. Penn does not share the same recognition. Neither does Wharton, from personal experience. Of course, I'm talking about laymen here. If you care about the brand name and prestige so much, go get a grad degree from HYP. It might help you score a chick at a bar. Probably not, but whatevs.</p>

<p>HYPPS...future destiny, but present day, alas just a typo ;)</p>

<p>I think Penn might get added to that list once they get their endowment increased fivefold. That would slowly put them on an equal level with those schools in terms of money/student. That means a few more Penn Connects campaigns...</p>

<p>That's "Making History" Campaigns. Penn Connects is the campus expansion plan. Making History is the fundraising campaign, of which a surprisingly small amount is going to Penn Connects (which is good, it means it is being spent on faculty, etc)</p>

<p>I've heard of people go as far as HYPSMC. Sorry, but C there doesn't belong in the discussion if Penn doesn't.</p>

<p>Wharton being separately included there is an insult to other Penn students. They are all Penn students together. Do you really think admission officers are dumb enough to select only super high quality students for Wharton and horrible students for the other schools? If that was the case, these two things would've never happened:
1) All students at Penn can take classes in each of 4 undergrad schools and can switch over to any of the other schools (albeit with difficulty).
2) Overall ranking of Penn would've never been at #4.</p>

<p>HYPSMP or a variation of that sort will never happen as long as Penn State exists. Notice how Penn is the only school in top 10 whose name is University of [a state]. That makes Penn sound ridiculously like a state school, thus much less prestige in 90% of population.</p>

Penn is altogether a wonderful school. However, I do believe that Wharton students are on AVERAGE (there are some EXTREMELY brilliant people in the college/engineering..much smarter than me) of a higher caliber. I mean the admit rate at Wharton is like 11% when both ED and RD admits are factored in. The college had a 10% admit rate RD, so its safe to assume that the admit rate there is going to be a higher percentage than at Wharton. Additionally, I hear its fairly easy to transfer from Wharton into the College, but you need like a 3.8+ GPA to transfer into the college from Wharton. Again, though, its all about your interests. Wharton will give u the finest business education in the world. However, if you are interested in majoring in biology (like me!), the College will give you an infinitely better education!</p>

<p>I do believe Caltech and Penn are prbly on the same lvl academically. Caltech is more prestigious to lay people, though. So, as a result, the average CCer will prbly hold Caltech in a higher regard and then include it in the HYPSM name.</p>

<p>This whole thread makes Penn students seem pretty insecure...we shouldn't have to worry about silly acronyms; we should just be happy that our school is as great as it is. I'm sure as Penn's overall strength continues to improve in coming years, it will earn the recognition it deserves, whether or not it enters into "acronym territory".</p>

<p>Rtgrove, I find it concerning that you haven't even moved into your first year at Penn yet and already you're making pretty dramatic assumptions (whether you realize it or not, above and beyond your concern with raw numbers) about the entire Penn student body. I have won some pretty prestigious national and international awards (but in the interest of anonymity I will not reveal which) based on my education in the College at Penn, and likewise am able to continue my education at a top-ten medical school because of the education afforded that included only one, second semester of senior year, course at Wharton. And I am certainly NOT an exception in this regard. Penn is great because no matter what field you want to enter, Penn can offer you a way to excel in it--whether that be as a businessperson, engineer, medical researcher, journalist, statistician, nurse, or whatever it is. So, before you, as somebody who has barely even set foot on the Penn campus, cements the mindset (in spite of his cautious disclaimers to the contrary) that "on average" Whartonites are academically more gifted and, by implication, precious to the institution than those from the three other undergraduate schools, I hope you think again.</p>

Anecdotal evidence is fine. However, how can you possibly justify the numbers I mentioned previously. Clearly, Penn College and Wharton are both outstanding places that will both enable you to do amazing things. Again, though, consensus on these boards seems to be that Wharton's peers are Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, and Yale and those of the CAS are Columbia, Dartmouth, and Brown. You can't simply ignore numbers because you don't like what they say. Heres another fact btw...why does Wharton have yield in the 80%+ range whereas Penn as a whole has 63% yield (indicating that without wharton the average yield for the other three schools is in the 50% range)?</p>

<p>I think the point is more that acceptance rates alone don't tell the whole story, because a lot of people want to be rich bankers and yet Wharton is relatively small. It's true that no other top school has an undergraduate business program comparable to Wharton, and so naturally the yield will be high--and so the actual quality of the Wharton undergraduate business program has quite a bit of wiggle room. If HBS began an undergraduate business program, you'd see how quickly the Wharton yield numbers (and ED applicants) would drop; luckily for Wharton, it stands alone amongst the Ivies in this regard. But, remember, the yields at all of the other Ivies except Harvard and Yale (and including Princeton) have as of 2009 (not sure yet of all the 2010 numbers) been below 60%, and so clearly people with multiple admits rightfully see themselves in the enviable position of being able to choose between great schools that all offer amazing opportunities without the constraining lack of choice afforded die hard business prospectives; it's not as though non-Wharton Penn is the runt of the Ivy litter in this regard. People at Harvard, Yale, Princeton and the like hardly consider "even" Wharton (or Penn as a whole) to be at their level anyhow, regardless of the consensus of the indubitably vetted experts generating the "consensus on these boards."</p>

<p>But, the truth is, I simply don't see a reason in the first place for your differentiation of Wharton from the rest of Penn. (That is, unless it is somehow a manifestation of a preconscious [or maybe even conscious?] conflict regarding your college decision making it for some reason extremely important to you to be able to say you went to a Princeton-level school rather than "only" a Columbia- or Dartmouth-level school based on a set of incomplete criteria that you yourself have designated.) It's not as though people in SAS or SEAS or nursing are Wharton rejects; most of us never had any actual desire to go into business in the first place, and so your comparison is rather spurious. People choose Penn because they see it as a place where they can achieve their own goals, not because it's a way for them to be close to Wharton (which is one way to read into the implications of your differentiation of Wharton from the rest of Penn).</p>

<p>In any event, if you go into your time in college with your nose in the air under the operating assumption that you can only ever be really sure that your Wharton peers deserve to be in your blessed company and the rest must be decided on a strict case-by-case basis, you're not going to get much out of your experience.</p>

Well, I certainly hope I am not attempting to compensate for my rejection at Pton (which was my top choice school) by elevating Wharton to "God status." Honestly, I love schools that many would deem to be in a tier lower than HYPS. In fact, had I not gotten into a dual degree program at Penn, I almost certainly would have turned Wharton down for Dartmouth.</p>

<p>You are, of course, correct in saying that Wharton is given a boost in its reputation and popularity among students because it is uniquely the only undergraduation business school in the ivies (unless you count the Hotel Management School at Cornell). Regardless, you will inevitably get alot more students who do turn down HYPS for Wharton than you will at the College. Would Wharton be hurt if HBS came in and created an undergraduate program? You bet! That seems to be irrelevant here though because HBS hasn't made such a program, so you get all the brilliant business students coming to Wharton in massive droves. I guess again what I am trying to say is that Wharton shares its cross admits with HYPS alot more than the College does. So, I don't think it is a jump at all to come to the conclusion that on average the students applying to Wharton are slightly more qualified than the average student at the College.</p>

<p>Now, I hope my posts were not insinuating that all College admits were just probable Wharton rejects. Of course that is not true. Their interests just are outside of business. In fact, a friend of mine who is a hell of a lot smarter than me is attending the College next year. However, I still do not believe the statement that Wharton is on par will HYPS for business (as it clearly is...at least for Ibanking and possibly above HYPS for PE/VC) whereas the College is prbly not is all the controversial.</p>