@lindyk8 Thanks, I feel a little better now. My plans for Math 1A aren’t until next year anyway and I’m hoping they’ll appreciate that I’m working on my higher math prereqs than messing around with 1A’s sticky situation. I’ll need to contact the UCs and get clarification on validation (never heard about it) and see what’s next.
Yes, just look at the other campuses you applied to in that link, either the college or the general subject. I would still check with someone at each uc (not your CCC advisor) but unless the actual major on assist says words to the effect that the series must be taken as a full year, your placement into Calc 2 should suffice as per validation rules.
@lindyk8 I check UCSD and it only exempts Math10A doesn’t exempt me from Math20A, which is my CC’s equivalent to Math 1A. Irvine also only gives me elective credit and not subject credit for Math 2A, also the equivalent to my Math 1A. I guess I should have gotten a better AP score, so I’m guessing validation doesn’t work here, or does it?
You have to talk to someone at each UC. What I am thinking is that as long as you were placed in to the higher math at your CCC, you’re fine. You will have a Math 1B letter grade, which will validate Math 1a. Now if you didn’t take math 1B at CCC, the UCs would look solely at the AP score and place you lower on the ladder.
But you need to check because I’m guessing and just because I think this doesn’t mean it’s right.
Btw, this would not happen with physics. If the UCs wanted Physics 1,2,3 and you got placed in 2, they would still demand 1.
@lindky8 Got it. I’m still not sure about validation since the link only shows high school courses and college level classes are WAY different, so I’m almost 99% sure they’ll all want me to take Math 1A, which is a bother since 1B, 1C, and 1D should validate the missing 1A, but UCs are pretty strict on pre reqs haha. Thanks for helping though
@nirvanemesis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKZU68F75-E
this is talking about “sequence classes” and how they evaluate if you happen to be out of the sequence.
Hope it helps and good luck!
@sky1991 Thank you! From what I gather, I get no credit for 1A (no biggie, as a CS major I’ll be applying with a lot of units) and it doesn’t adversely affect my admission, as long as I take it. Phew, at least there’s space in my Spring quarter has room for it.
That link is highly informative but does not really address validation and AP too much. It mainly talks about not getting unit credit for out of sequence courses.
I’m going to email the UC because frankly I’m really sick of all this confusion with validation. Validation is not based on age, it applies to all. But they seem to have so many caveats with the math. Well it doesn’t count if you need to take the full series at your CCC, it doesn’t count in this situation, but it does count here. I mean, really. If they have a rule, it should be more understandable.
See UCI (general calculus AP lace ent, not by college or school):
http://www.testingcenter.uci.edu/calculus%20online%20exam.html
@lindky8 I’m back to being confused again cause your new link says a score of 3 clears Math 2A while the prior link said it did not. ;_;
And please report back on validation! And what do you mean it doesn’t count in this situation but it does count here, or was that just an example on the confusion? I agree with you though on making things clear. If I was cleared for Math 1A at my CC, I shouldn’t have to hunt for each UC’s specific ruling!
No, I just meant one would think validation is validation. But like I said those courses that say the sequence must be taken for the full year doesn’t seem to let validation fit, although those might only refer to physics and chemistry courses, actually. I can’t recall.
You do have to contact them. I suggest sending an email stating that based on your AP Calc AB score of 3 your CCC put you into Calc 2 but you are not sure how that plays out for your major. You would like some advice, and as a safeguard, plan to take Calc 1 during the summer, unless they have a better suggestion. You realize you will not get unit credit as it is out of sequence, but you’re trying to cover any discrepancies caused by a possible erroneous AP placement. Also bring up validation.
I will do the same.
@lindyk8 Ah, well the validation matrix you posted only had Math and Languages right? So sciences wouldn’t validate anyway. Please let me know if you get more info on validation though!
I skipped Calc 1 with AP credit, and I’ve done my research. AFAIK, Berkeley should accept it for CS in L&S. If you want to make sure, I’d ask students directly in the Berkeley subreddit.
From searching the UCSD subreddit, it seems one person was able to skip the class just fine with a 3 on the AP test. Another person transferred doing the same thing you did (also 3 on AP test) and got an email saying he was fine. There also seems to be a credit by examination at UCSD so worst case scenario, you can take that without having to waste time taking Calc 1.
Double check by emailing the respective schools. I’d recommend avoid retaking Calc 1 if you can.
Thx for info @kvothee.
@kvothee Thank you. My counselor didn’t have any instances where it ACTUALLY occurred, but he said it was possible. Is there a specific email I need to send this question to, like the specific department, or is admissions fine? I’ll shoot a question to the UC forums too. What score did you get btw, and do you have a link to where the UCSD person skipped it?
@nirvanemesis
First comment:
Reddit - Dive into anythingcalc1afterpassingaptestdoesnot/
Other one (looks like this person didn’t even pass):
Reddit - Dive into anythingmath20aequivalentbuttookmath20band/
UC Berkeley Subreddit:
reddit.com/r/Berkeley
Try contacting the CSE department at UCSD.
I got a 5.
@kvothee Thanks again. I’ll email them today. So the OP in the first link (not the comment) retook Calc 1, but OP in second link got an email saying they didn’t have to or they could petition/credit by examination, if I read those two links correctly.
UPDATE: I got a really fast email back from UCSD!
"AP Calculus AB score 3 will give you UCSD equivalence, but for Math 10A instead of Math 20A.
However, for students who transfer in to UCSD with Math 10A-20B-20C-20D-20F credit due to differences in AP credit between schools, we can adjust your equivalency so that you do not need to go back and re-take Calculus I. Taking the course out of sequence is not required, or recommended.
I would recommend that you continue forward with your calculus sequence and we’ll work to get your equivalencies properly adjusted once you transfer to UCSD."
It came from the Math department as well, if that helps anyone else. Thank you everyone for your help!
Yay!!! So, yeah, that appears to substantiate validation as per the CCC’s call. Thx for that feedback.