Is it true that the shooter’s wife is now missing?
In regards to the automatic assumptions about someone who is Muslim and in contrast, the LA case:
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-james-wesley-howell-molestation-charges-20160615-snap-story.html
The guy in LA had about 20 pounds of a two part explosive that had been combined, that is detonated by a high power rifle shot, had a semi automatic rifle with high capacity rapid reload magazines, another semi automatic and other paraphernalia, said he was going to pride…and all he has been charged with is illegal weapons possession. Anyone doubt if he had had an assume Muslim surname, that this would still be big news? Doesn’t take a genius to assume that someone with that kind of arsenal in a car was heading to do something big, and given it as pride weekend…I realize that DA’s need evidence to put terrorism charges against him, but why the hell has this slipped off the pages, when I would lay 1000 dollars with 2 to 1 odds the guy was heading to kill at the parade…
Now it is being reported that Mateen threatened a Florida sheriff’s deputy ranting about how he’d get al Qaeda to kill him. With all they knew about Mateen, the FBI dismissed him as a real threat.
Are there so many people out there who have a history of making threats, knowing ISIS suicide bombers, being on and off the terror watch list, trying to buy body armor and all the rest of Mateen’s background, that the FBI just dismisses it as not warranting further action? IOW, this sort of thing may not be unusual to the FBI?
It seems to me that a mini 9/11 investigation needs to be done about the FBI’s handling of this case. Clearly the bureau dropped the ball and changes need to be made.
Tatin, doggone that pesky Constitution!
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/14/us/omar-mateen-fbi.html?_r=0
Imran Yousuf - what a wonderful human being!
A representative on the Today show last week said that they are not able to investigate someone indefinitely, for some reason 10 months sticks in my brain . People state horrific , hateful things frequently . I’m sure there are just as dangerous people in this country who are not on a watch list because no one reports them because they are US citizens , their friends, neighbors and coworkers . It’s much easier to believe the enemy does not live amongst us or has some similar beliefs and values that we do.
Why not share this information with local law enforcement? Why keep the terror watch list secret? Have some form of due process to get off the terror watch list. Most Americans agree that if someone is on a terror watch list they should not be able to buy guns. Has a court ruled that 10 months is some magic number or is that just some arbitrary number?
I also wonder how strong the efforts are of Google, Twitter and Facebook to keep the rantings of ISIS off the internet. I saw that YouTube pulled the homophobic preacher’s rant pretty quickly. How much manpower or algorithm management are the internet companies doing to tamp down on the use of their companies to disseminate the ISIS propoganda?
I am trying to engage a discussion about what can be done not only to stop terrorists who use guns, but also those who plant bombs or blow up airplanes.
Speaking of the Baptist preacher:
I was raised Baptist and have issues with many of the tenets taught by that particular denomination, but I was nevertheless surprised to hear that the hate speech sermon referenced earlier was spoken by a Baptist pastor.
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/marcos-breton/article83844907.html
His remarks have generated outrage within Sacramento’s religious community.
I think they need to come up with a better word than “homophobe.” A phobia means a fear, and I for one as a straight person, am not afraid of anyone who is gay. So the word “phobe” or “phobia” doesn’t apply. And those who may disagree with a gay person’s lifestyle choice, they are not afraid of them either. To automatically label someone who happens to be straight and disagrees with the gay lifestyle as being a bigot or a hate without even knowing that person and without them having said or done anything hateful or bigoted is itself hateful and bigoted. Disagreeing with someone or having a different opinion about something is hate. Hating someone for their different opinion or disagreement is.
The “baptist” preacher with all the hateful speech was just looking for attention. It seems at every disaster and crime like this some people come out of the woodwork and just want to grab attention by spewing the most idiotic and hateful thing that they can. The Westboro people have been doing that for years.
What they say seems shocking until you look under the cover of their own narcissism. I wonder if they even believe half of what they’re saying.
@logcase18 We all have different opinions and I don’t label anyone a bigot for not agreeing with 'the gay lifestyle. But it’s very easy to tip into the bigoted category when people lobby and go to the ballot box to deny rights to others that they currently enjoy. Denying equality and the benefits that come with marriage is harmful to gay families. In my opinion that effort to hurt people’s lives and to stand back as pastors wish and celebrate our death is what makes a bigot.
I don’t think you understand how free speech works. Free speech protects you so that you can say anything you want without fear of being arrested, and even then we all know there are very real limitations. It doesn’t entitle you to have an audience and it certainly doesn’t mean that the moderators and owner of a private website have to allow you to say whatever you want.
@sly123 I don’t agree with the things those so-called pastors said. I am a Christian and a regular church goer, and I don’t know of a legitimate pastor of a legitimate church who was anything but saddened by the Orlando shooting, or was anything but outraged by the comments of these so-called pastors.
And those Westboro Baptist clowns are a disgrace to Baptists and Christians in general. As a Christian, they don’t represent or speak for me.
To post #621 and the question of the man going to the California gay pride event, we can’t charge people with a pre-crime. I agree he wanted to kill people, but he can’t be charged for what he wanted to do.
As he didn’t harm anyone and is being charged with weapons crimes, this is the end of the story until he gets his trial.
I am not sure what else you want the media to discuss.
LGBT is not a “lifestyle.”
@logcase18 - Actually it is a “phobia” that is usually used to designate a fear, although the standard definitions also include hate in there as well. The suffixes “phobe” and “phile” mean hate and love, respectively. But they are all related, so xenophobia is defined as a fear and/or hate of people from other countries, while a xenophobe is usually defined as someone that hates and/or fears people from other countries. They are not precise terms in differentiating between hate and fear.
I’ve always wondered what the “gay lifestyle” meant. I’ll probably figure it out when I finally figure out what the “gay agenda” is…
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-lgbt-gun-control-20160617-snap-htmlstory.html
Well, I don’t suppose he can speak for everyone, but Evan Low (D-Campbell), a member of the California Legislative Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Caucus says that gun thing we can’t talk about here is now part of the gay agenda.
Romani, see if you can also find out about those “special rights” that I hear the gays want.