I don't know how to deal with my roommate anymore!

<h2>This is long, but I would greatly appreciate it if you took the time. I don’t know how to deal with it anymore.</h2>

<p>My roommate and I were… well, I guess, best friends during high school. On my 17th birthday, he wrote me a card saying some of the nicest things anybody’s ever said to me, telling me how much he appreciates me as a friend and close to calling me his brother. We each applied to 8-or-so schools and it was very much implied that we would room together. Still, the chances of us attending the same university were so slim, it was more like a dream.</p>

<p>Well, what do you know, come May, we were both off to the same college. Needless to say, we decided to room together. We were forewarned by so many people, but of course neglected to listen. I recognized that we might, of course, run into problems and suggested that we put together a list of rules before the year starts so that we don’t run into trouble. He shrugged it off, which didn’t bother me so much at the time. We’d hang out once or twice a week, take the train home everyday, and so his being quiet a lot of the time really didn’t bother me. Late August came, and there were still no rules. I told him the only thing that really mattered to me was that he’d keep quiet when I studied. I can’t study when there is any noise at all, whether it’s classical music (which I love, I’m a conservatory-level violist,) or the classic rock and death metal that he listens to (also not a problem, but not when I’m studying!)</p>

<p>Seems simple enough, right? We were sitting on a time bomb. We ran into trouble the first week, when I asked him to turn his music down and he told me to go study at the lounge. I refused, stating that I wouldn’t leave the room to study so that he could play videogames blasting the music full-volume. I left, then came back because the principle of the thing seemed absurd to me - I told him that we had agreed on this before we moved in. He said “One person agreeing to something doesn’t make a rule,” a passive-aggressive argument akin to many of the ones he would make to me over time. It wasn’t pretty, but he caved, over time. At the end of that first week, he said:
“Max, there are things about you that frustrate the hell out of me.”
“Ok,” I replied “Better tell me now, so this doesn’t become a problem later. I can say the same for you. We couldn’t have expected things to be perfect, but let’s work this out now.”
He said he couldn’t think of anything on the spot. I told him it really bothered me when he played music while I studied, and he seemed to understand. The next day, I asked him to turn it down and we had another argument. </p>

<p>Our friendship began deteriorating quickly. On the outside, it would seem that little had changed, but I was more and more frustrated as time went on. I would ask him about his day every evening and he’d shrug off and say nothing and never ask me back. He wouldn’t say ‘good morning’ or ‘good night,’ and would stay quiet for days if I didn’t speak to him. He’d turn off the music only if I asked him to - even when I went to bed and he KNEW I was going to sleep. I should absolutely note - this isn’t a drastic change in his character. He’s always been quiet, heavily sarcastic, and mildly passive-aggressive. It just never bothered me, since I didn’t have to deal with it on a daily basis. We got along fine before, but now, it seemed to me that our friendship was disappearing. I confronted him about it on one of our better evenings in a very benevolent manner and for once, we had a decent conversation. I told him that he wasn’t living alone and some of the things he wasn’t doing weren’t even friendship - asking how somebody is is just common courtesy. I was sick for 3 weeks straight and he never once asked me how I was. One day, he didn’t come back to the dorm past 12. I know he doesn’t party. I went to sleep, woke up at 4 in the morning, he still wasn’t there. The next morning, when he still wasn’t back, I called him around 10AM. I left him a voicemail asking to call me back. He showed up a few hours later, in a good mood.</p>

<p>“Where the heck were you,” I asked. I wasn’t worried that something would happen to him, I know he can take care of himself, but he could have called me to say he’d be out the whole night.
“Nowhere,” he replied. “It’s really not important.”
“Did you get my voicemail?” I inquired.
“Yep.” He said and turned away to his computer.</p>

<p>I tried confronting him in a jest-like manned over the day, asking if it was a party, pot (he smokes, rarely), a girl. (He just got out of a very long “Ross-and-Rachel” relationship with a common friend of ours) “No… haha,” he said, “there are no girls here.”</p>

<p>I found out later, much later, that he was with a girl - he had a friends-with-benefits thing going on with a girl from across the hall. None of my business - it really isn’t. Still, he should have had the decency of telling me he was going to be out for the night. They were making out when I called him in the morning, she told me. She asked who it was, and when he told her it was his roommate, she asked him to pick up.
“I’m busy,” he said to her.</p>

<p>Things got a little better after that. I looked a little into roommate transfer, but we’re at 150% housing capacity, so it wasn’t really an option. It wasn’t helping that I wasn’t really fitting in at the school and made few friends. I decided to apply for transfer and tackled a very challenging courseload, so I spent a LOT of my time studying and had little time to hang out. Over time, we developed a fragile balance where I was out of the room often enough for him to have the place to himself, so that when I came back, he’d keep it quiet. Moreover, I am upstate NY and my girlfriend is in the city, so I travel down there (4 hour trip one way) every few weeks, and he would have the room to himself. He had no reason to complain - his courseload was fairly light and he was always in the room, either playing some videogame on his computer or studying to loud music. I never had the place to myself, but I dealt with it.</p>

<p>Then, it got colder. I mentioned how I was sick for three weeks - I had bronchitis - and he complained that I snored. I was certain it was due to the fact that my nose was stuffed and told him that if I snore, he should wake me up and tell me. He would open up the window during the night and the temperature started dropping into the low-20’s, high 10’s.
I kept asking him to keep it closed, and he would, the majority of the time. I told him if he wanted to vent the room - fine, but I asked him to close it before falling asleep. It doesn’t help that he claims ‘not to feel the cold.’ When I reminded him that it was 35, 30, 25, 20, 15 degrees outside, he claimed “That’s not too bad,” much alike to most of his passive-aggressive responses. One day I told him to keep the window closed because I had a cough the day after he kept it open, and he listened for a little while. Then, he’d complain that I snored and would only stop snoring if he opened the window.
One day, I couldn’t take it anymore. My girlfriend never comes up to visit me, but she was going to one weekend a few weeks ago. I told him that and asked him very politely to see if he could sleep over at his girl’s room. He told me he’d see and then informed me that his friends-with-benefits girl was sleeping over. It got to me, because I don’t think he would have told me otherwise.
My girlfriend never came up that weekend, but his girl stayed over. They tried to keep quiet, but stayed up half the night whispering and I couldn’t sleep. I couldn’t take it anymore. I marched straight to the residence office the next day and asked if I could change roommates. The deadline had passed, but the lady was nice enough to work with me. She gave me a list of people who were moving out and told me to check the rooms out and let her know by 5PM that day. Long story short, I had an epiphany of a sort. I realized that while my roommate and I sure as heck wouldn’t be friends, he had some basic respect for me on a human level, and while I didn’t feel at home at college at all, the room was as close to it as I could get. I decided to stay. I figured, learning to deal with a roommate is a part of the experience. I read up online and decided that the situation is less-than-ideal, but not unbearable. I thanked him as he walked out the door that day, for keeping it quiet when I’m around. “No problem,” he replied.
It’s been several weeks since then, and things have been ok up till today. He still keeps quiet and to himself, but turns the music off when I ask him to so that I could study or just relax. Last night, he kept the window open the whole time. It was 17 degrees outside. I woke up at 7 and couldn’t fall back asleep. I had a sore throat and found it hard to swallow. When we got up around 11, I asked him to keep the window closed at night because I had a sore throat – I’ve been breathing cold air the entire night.
“Stop snoring,” he replied, grimly and in a *<em>**ed-off manner.
“What is that supposed to mean? I told you, if I snore, wake me up.”
“How am I supposed to wake you up?” He was raising his voice now, but I wouldn’t back down this time.
“The way you normally wake somebody up… Call me, or touch me or something.”
“We’ll see.”
“What the h</em>*l do you mean ‘we’ll see?’ I have a sore throat now!”
“We’ll see.” He turned back to his computer, put on his headphones, and ignored me entirely the next few hours. I stepped outside to study (just for finals, I find it better to study at the library,) and so he has the room to himself. It’s gonna take me a few days to get rid of the sore throat, and it’s finals week. I am stressed enough as it is – my chances at transferring depend largely on how I perform over the next several days.</p>

<p>I am despising the whole situation and have almost nobody to talk to about it. I’m pretty sure it’s too late to change rooms – the earliest I could look into it is next semester. I can’t hold it in though. He is being ridiculously passive aggressive, and I don’t know how to deal with it. He can turn around after an argument and get right back to his stuff, but I can’t do that. I can’t ignore, avoid. Jeez, I tried my best to confront him in every possible way, benevolent and firm, but it’s not working. He’ll often say something completely irrelevant to the argument and stand on it and I’m not the kind of guy to get loud and ****ed off. I’m miserable. What do I do?</p>

<p>Is this supposed to be a college app essay?</p>

<p>Tell him that you still like him (lie if necessary) but you are in too much proximity. Approach housing and a willing swapper to determine a room change.</p>

<p>NewStudent, NO, it’s not a college essay. It’s me having trouble dealing with stuff and looking for some sound advice.</p>

<p>GeekNerd, I’m pretty sure it’s too late to change rooms at this point.</p>

<p>I wonder why you guys were so friendly during high school. It seems strange that you two connected so strongly in high school and all of sudden, the moment you hit the college campus, everything just fell out of place. It seems that you are trying to work out you differences in a friendly manner and that he is just being a prick for no apparent reason. At this point, I would ride the semester out and then try to request a housing change for the new semester. Your wrote that learning to deal with a roommate is a part of the experience, but I think that you are past the point of working things out and may have reached the point of irreconcilable differences. One of my friends in another college had troubles with his original roomate, switched out, and is now having a great time. Maybe this space from each other will cause him to realize his errors and appreciate you as a friend. If not, he is not worthy of your friendship, and therefore this experience allowed you to see his true colors.</p>

<p>Oh its too late to switch? In that case you’re in a tough position, I’m really not sure how to advise you. Just try not to let it affect your psyche. You’re not the only one to ever have a bad roomate, it will only impact your experience as much as you let it. Good luck on ur finals! Got my first one tmrw, so dang nervouss</p>

<p>It’s not strange to be close to someone and then become distant after moving in. In high school, you two didn’t have to live one another, to deal with each others’ habits and quirks (which is usually the killer in friendships), and if you did begin irritating each other - you could easily remove yourself from the situation. </p>

<p>I had a similar situation where a friend moved into my apartment and, while we were fairly close before, afterwards, I found her to be the most irritating person and couldn’t stand to be around her.</p>

<p>If you want to keep your friendship, you’ll need to confront him in a manner that won’t make him become defensive and openly discuss your problems. If you aren’t concerned about keeping the friendship, then just keep your distance and try not to step on each others’ toes until the school year ends.</p>

<p>Drugs? External influence? Too much gaming?</p>

<p>This seems to represent two truisms: (1) As a freshman, room with a stranger, not a friend, because when you inevitably come to hate him, you won’t lose a friend, and (2) your belief that your roommate is the cause of a problem is only half right.</p>

<p>I don’t know about others but when I go through the list of complaints all I see is some usual issues that roommates have, which most woudn’t consider to be a big deal. I feel like I am reading the play “The Odd Couple” and the OP is Felix Unger and the roommate is Oscar Madison. The complaints:</p>

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<li><p>Wanted to make list of rules because knew there would be problems but friend shrugged it off: What?! How many guys who room together make a list of rules? How many guys would even suggest it? You’re going to college, the last thing you want somebody imposing upon you is a list of rules. A list of rules is just something that leads to argument. Instead, you just deal with issues as they arise.</p></li>
<li><p>Had initial problems about playing music, had some arguments and ultimately he would turn it off “only when I asked him to”: so what’s the problem? Large numbers of college students like to listen to music. You apparently don’t. It seems in a round about way you have reached a compromise. If you want more than that, ask, maybe he will give more, maybe he won’t.</p></li>
<li><p>Asked how his day went and he’d just shrug and wouldn’t ask back, he wouldn’t say good morning or good night, and he remained quiet for days: And the complaint is? How many guys care how the other’s day went or care about whether a roommate says good morning or good night? Not many. Ask whether he thinks the Giants are going to win the Super Bowl and you might get a conversation.</p></li>
<li><p>He stayed out all night and did not call, didn’t answer his phone, you scolded him for being out all night without calling, he wouldn’t tell you where he was, and eventually you found out he was with a girl: Duh! You are neither his mother nor his wife. College students are notorious for staying out all night without calling a roommate and, most often, it is none of rommate’s business where they were or whom they were with, and if that roommate keeps prying to determine where he was then it is amazing somebody is not now walking around with a sock stuffed in his mouth.</p></li>
<li><p>Was going to have girl friend over, asked him to go stay with his, instead his came over, and yours never came, and they made noise during the night: Maybe he thought it would be neat to have them meet each other and you could all go out, maybe his girl had the same problem and had been asked to leave for the night by her roommate. Who knows? Nothing out of the ordinary happened. And it seems demeaning to be referring to his girl as friends-with-benefits.</p></li>
<li><p>He keeps opening the window at night, sometimes obeys when you say close it, sometimes won’t get up to close it when you ask: Then you should get up and close it. Better yet, reach a compromise and leave it cracked a hair. You don’t seem to have recognized the issue even though he seems to have told you. You snore, all the time (not just when you are sick), and he can’t sleep as a result, except it appears you don’t snore when the window is open and its cool in the room. And simply telling someone to stop snoring won’t do it. It sounds like he is trying to find a way to solve the issue without putting a pillow over your face and pressing down. This is an issue but he is also suffering. Unfortuntely, there is no great solution to dealing with someone who snores loudly but he is trying to find a way to deal with it.</p></li>
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<p>My sense is you have some fairly normal issues and you are not used to dealing with these kinds of issues of having to live with someone who has babits different from yours. You can change roomamtes and hope to find someone more compatible (or face similar problems with another) or try to solve them with him without treating them as if they were life-threatening issues</p>

<p>To be blunt, this is kind of a hole of your own making. I know it’s finals and you’re stressed and you probably feel like crap, but you’re going to have to wait it out. You were warned before you moved in together, you had the choice to get out a few weeks ago, and you chose to stick with it. Being apart for the holidays will hopefully and most likely make it a little bit better, but you should really talk about this, and if it takes you making him angry enough to yell about his issues with rooming with you, then do it.</p>

<p>I had a miserable second semester freshman year because right before Christmas, my roommate and I started getting on each others nerves, and then after Christmas, we both started seeing someone. We stopped talking before spring break, and didn’t really start talking again after it. We were strangers when we moved in together, but we were far too much alike to be living in the same room. Trust me, another semester will make you far more miserable than you are now. Send an email or visit the residence office again and see if you can’t be moved, or switch roommates with somebody else.</p>

<p>You either need to move out or you need to have it out with your friend and getting everything into the open. It’s a crap time to do it, but it’ll spare you a bit of misery in the long run. Good luck.</p>

<p>Just to let you know, I read the other post you made a few weeks ago too. Honestly, I think it’s a rare two people who can be good friends and roommates. Although you probably shouldn’t have roomed together to begin with, it’s too late to dote on that now.</p>

<p>drusba - I am a girl, not a guy, but it seems like telling each other pet peeves and setting boundaries is the ONLY way to start of the year right. If you don’t, you’ll most likely just end up with conflicts later. It’s so much easier to make compromises if you know before the fact. Although I definitely agree with some of your points.</p>

<p>It seems like the two of you are not going to be happy compromising. I think you two seem very incompatible, and you can only give so much. And when both of you give that much and it’s still not enough, you’re both going to be very unhappy.</p>

<p>My advice is to stick it out the rest of the semester. You don’t really have a choice and it’s almost over anyways.</p>

<p>Next semester, go to housing and try to find someone who you’d be more compatible with rather than someone who is your polar opposite, at least in terms of roommate compatibility issues. Look for someone with a similar courseload and study habits and sleep schedule. When you are ready to move out, if you want to avoid completely ruining yours and your roommate’s friendship (if you haven’t already), talk with him very honestly and explain your reasoning, but do not blame him. Say, “I just can’t stand making you miserable with my snoring,” rather than, “I can’t f***ing stand you leaving the window open one more night!” Say, “Our study schedules are just too different,” instead of, “You play your music all the freaking time and I’m so sick of it!” If he’s a decent friend, he’ll understand (and maybe even be relieved) and you too will be able to work your way back to where you were before. Although you need to know that living together may have also completely ruined things. Only time will tell.</p>

<p>Another note of advice, from information I remember from your earlier thread: Please don’t just try to transfer to Cornell to be nearer your girlfriend. I know it sucks so much, but you really might be better off breaking up. You say in the OP that you’re not really making friends, and I think the main problems are you’re putting lots on your plate with academics and spending all of your free time with your girlfriend. Even if you get into Cornell, things will be very much the same. I have a personal experience that reminds me a lot of this–PM me if you want more details and I’ll be glad to share.</p>

<p>Haha, thanks yourfire. Like I said before, my transferring has NOTHING to do with my girlfriend. In fact, if I transfer to Cornell, I’ll be an hour farther, not closer.</p>