<p>I am sorry, and I did not mean to offend anyone. People have their beliefs and I respect that. But I do not appreciate be taught scientific theories that contradict my religious beliefs, especially when they come from atheists.</p>
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<li><p>Just because they contradict your religious beliefs doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be taught them. Couldn’t I just say learning certain types of math violates certain beliefs of mine. Science is an integral part of education, including the parts you may or may not agree with. You still should have to learn them though. </p></li>
<li><p>Not all scientists are atheists. Many are religious, but of course not ones that belief the Earth was created in 6 literal days and is only a few thousand years old. The two are not necessarily incompatible.</p></li>
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<p>Business_Freak: I am tempted to say that I undesrtand you. But if you want to have better arguments in a debate like this, where the bulk of the participants are science-oriented, you need to learn more about science. You need to know as much science as we do, so that we cannot fool you. Take my example. I’ve read many religious books just in case a religious preson might be tempted to lie to me. I’ll remind him of the truth, because I know the material as well as he/she does.
You should study scioence in order to have better arguments against it. Believe me it works. (I’ve just sold myself here.)</p>
<p>Let’s compare your reasoning with scientific:
Your reasoning: Is rigid (a bad start). What it involves is fiction and then assertion, then insisting, then twisting the fact, and lastly torturing.
Scientific reasoning: Is flexible. It involves careful observation which moves on to hypothesis and then last but not least testing and debate.</p>
<p>To make the bible even worse:
Noah could not have taken in 10 billion species of animals and then distributed them exactly. Business_Freak, how does this one work? The actual story was that one spring the Euphrates flooded (like always, but this time a little more) and killed lots of people (Yes, there is actual historical evidence). Then a king took a boat and loaded it will supplies and went down the flood until he road aground.</p>
<p>The bible is a ‘pick and choose’ book which makes it even harder to believe. Example: The bible says that a man shall not lie with another man. And then the next chapter says we should stone to death disobedient children.
Other things: In exodus, it says you can sell your daughter into slavery.
Exodus also states that anyone working on the sabbath should be put to death.
Corinthians says that it is a shame for men to have long hair (hmm…)
Also, the bible says that a man shall not approach a woman when she is on her period.
The bible is a series of homoilies- that’s what it was meant for. If you take it literally, then you are completely missing the entire point of the bible.</p>
<p>Last but not least, I have to agree you are an extremist. Additionally you are supposed to “love” all people for who they are. What you are doing right here is going right against Christianity. I also find it funny that you do not attempt to contradict my earth question. People only do they when they are either wrong or have no evidence (which in the scientific world means you are wrong).</p>
<p>Most of your examples are from the Old Testament, hopkinslax, and you should know full well that few Christians take the Old Testament literally. By that reasoning, I could accuse science of upholding the Phlogiston Theory or other ludicrous (but formerly widely accepted) scientific theories. </p>
<p>Your number of species is widely inaccurate. Most taxonomists put the range of the number of species at 30-50 million. That said, your point still stands. </p>
<p>Finally, I see far more religion bashing going on here than science bashing, so I don’t know why everyone is so defensive. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>I’m one of those who believe science and religion are compatible, and I see no reason why they cannot be. :)</p>
<p>See? hopsinclax knows more bible than you do. Business_freak, you should follow my advice.</p>
<p>you’re gay
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<p>Sorry warblers, I went back to the documentary and it is 10 million, not 10 billion
My question to you is:
Why believe only the new testament? Is it because the whole bible is wack? Hmm…</p>
<p>Eh, now you’re testing my somewhat limited biblical knowledge, hehe. Much of the Old Testament deals with God’s Covenants with Moses and Abraham. When Jesus was born in the New Testament, he represented a new Covenant that overturned the others. Thus, the Old Testament is of interest but not taken literally by Christians. Obviously Jews, who don’t accept Jesus as God’s son, still accept the Old Testament.</p>
<p>I think this is right, but don’t quote me on it. :p</p>
<p>The thing I don’t get is that if it is not to be taken literally by Christians, then why do they believe in that stuff?
Or is it because people like Business_Freak are a bunch of hypocrites?</p>
<p>Business_Freak is actually Muslim, so Islam may accept the Old Testament. I’m not sure. </p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=113250&page=3[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=113250&page=3</a> (#47)</p>
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<p>I am not christian, but I do accept most Christian beliefs (other than Jesus being a divine character.)</p>
<p>Like I said, I never expected a bunch of atheists to be taking over the dicussion. </p>
<p>So, almost HALF of hopkinslax’s assumptions regarding me is wrong.</p>
<p>Atheism and Homosexuality are two minor signs of the Day of Judgement.</p>
<p>If not thinking highly of atheism and homosexuality makes me an extremist, then I am happy to be one. And I dont know WHY you are talking about Moses and Noah. But yeah, I do believe in them, but with a different perspective. I also believe that Satan exists.</p>
<p>I’m also Muslim. Islam does accept the old and new testaments (Torah, Bible, etc) but also that they have been changed through the years, making them inaccurate compared to the originals.</p>
<p>Business Freak, as a fellow Muslim, I’m quite surprised at you. You don’t know enough about your own religion. Something that you should know is that Islam is one of the most (if not THE most) science-friendly religions. The Quran itself has verses directly citing the Big Bang, and that life originated from water. In addition, Islam is not “anti-atheist” which you mentioned earlier. Do we believe their lack of belief in God is a major sin? Definitely. Does that give you the right to say they are below you? No. Calling yourself better than them is a sign of arrogance, which is also a major sin. In fact, unless anybody makes a direct attack on Islam, we are not to fight back.<br>
Instead, like the prophet himself, we should make an effort to live together with them peacefully. It is also your duty to spread the message of Islam, through example and discussion (not by insulting people and refusing to talk to them).</p>
<p>So Business Freak, I suggest you stop acting the way you are. In the golden age of Islam, knowledge of science was flourishing like few other times in history. I suggest you open yourself up and realize that modern science and God do not contradict each other, but rather complement each other.
As for those signs of the Day of Judgement, there are many that I’ve also noticed too… but this discussion isn’t about them.</p>
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<p>The Koran specifically states that non-believers will stay in hell for all eternity.
Not believing in God is one of the worst sins possible.</p>
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<p>questioning the existance of God is a major sin. you should know that. Also, refer to posts about Noah and Moses.</p>
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<p>No, I have no intension of doing that. I cant tolerate people questioning God’s existance, especially when this was not the motive of this thead.</p>
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<p>Atheism and Homosexuality are signs, feel free to accept them. I am just happy they dont exist in the Middle East.</p>
<p>Although I did mistake you, my arguments can still hold true that your holy book is not meant to be taken literally.</p>
<p>Although I am not for homosexuality (i am the don’t ask, don’t tell kind of person), I think it is extremely offensive as to what you said. It is the same as me saying “The day when extremist muslims take over is a sign of the Day of Judgement”.</p>
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<p>You started it with your comments on Moses and Noah.</p>
<p>Even though I analyzed the “validity” of the Bible, it is a holy book like the Koran, so by me disproving that kind of stuff, I think it holds true (Just like if A=B and B=C then A=C)</p>
<p>I say drop the matter, and don’t let Business Freak be a representative of Muslims in general.</p>
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This does not mean we should insult them here on Earth. Or anybody for that matter.
I’m against both of those, I know what the signs are, and I think that in places where nothing can be done about them (like the US) I say they’ll be judged based on their lives, I’ll be judged on mine. In the meantime, we can try to live together peacefully.</p>
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<p>How many atheists do you see in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan?</p>
<p>I personally think the Day of Judgement idea is plausible and is applicable in today’s society</p>