<p>There is so much to say that I don’t even know where to begin.</p>
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What the hell is an anti-gay religion? Is that like, a category of religions? Is there a contest for the most anti-gay or something? Sounds kind of exciting. Most religions don’t seem anti-anything, except maybe Pride (i.e. judgement). </p>
<p>Anyway, as people have said, there are tons of gay Christians (take a look at the Metropolitan Community Church, for instance) and gay Catholics (such as the DignityUSA organization). And, I have to repeat what Tetrehedr0n said: you really don’t seem to know all that much about the Christian Church or inclined to learn about any subject–at all–including Christianity. </p>
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Do you mean depressed as in sad? Because I’m quite happy–one may even say “gay.” (I’m sorry, everyone, I couldn’t help myself.) </p>
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Freak, you know next to nothing about Christianity. I’m not even going to waste my effort on this one.</p>
<p>Also, I second the following requests:
from silentsailor (Immorality ™ c. 2005, Freak doesn’t cut it)
from i</em>wanna<em>be</em>Brown </p>
<p>I also feel the need to add that although you have spent a lot of this thread blathering on about how you wanted to talk about the Argument From Motion, you still have not even acknowledged my post on the subject. It’s on page one (post # 16), but I just copied + pasted it here for you, word for word.
<p>Not having much to do with the actual argument, but…
Business Freak, as a Muslim, your job is to be a representative of the religion, not drive people away from it. The most ironic thing is that once you’ve driven people even further away from God/religion (or reinforced their previous beliefs) you insult them for it, as if you haven’t contributed at all to such things.</p>
<p>Side tangent (I seem to be good at those…) several have made comments that there are those people such as freak or whatever who have discouraged all notions of religion. That in and of itself is not an open opinion, because you are basing the beliefs of thousands, or millions, on what a very few say. Thinking of my own church, I can think of 10 out of 300 who are right in your face with it and who would be, well, detrimental. However, they do not represent the majority. </p>
<p>And Freak - they are correct in one thing, saying you are right and the rest of everything is wrong is the first thing of pride if you really want to get into it, tolerance is a fine line, but it needs to be observed. Without tolerance and open minds there is nothing but a lot of people running around whistling with fingers in their ears :)</p>
<p>I used to think that too, but living in a muslim country has taught me otherwise. I have not met a single muslim that has disagreed with terrorism. The majority of muslims that I have encountered either are indifferent, agree with it, or think it’s funny. I remember on the 1st anniversary of 9/11, one guy in my class told my teacher that it was the best day in the world. Another time, a guy who I thought was a very good friend of mine showed me a video on his cell phone of terrosists cutting someone’s head off because he thought it was funny. Worst of all, (it makes me so sad to think about this) my own mother often expresses her approval of terrorism. I remember after the London bombings, she said that she was glad because the British and Americans needed to learn a lesson. Just a few days a go when we heard about the Al Qaeda leader who was killed in Pakistan, my sister and I were saying too bad it wasn’t Osama bin Laden, and my mom said she was glad bin Laden is still alive so he could keep putting fear into the hearts of Americans. Ironically, those same people who approve of terrorism are angry that terrorists give muslims a bad image. </p>
<p>You’ve only met american muslims, and they probably disagree with terrorism, but american muslims are a minority. The rest of the world’s muslim population overwhelmingly supports terrorism.</p>
<p>“I agree with your mother. Its about time some action was taken.I am glad a good person was elected as the Iranian president.”</p>
<p>OK, so you disagree with England/American policy, I agree to some extent, but you’re talking about murdering INNOCENT people, that’s not war, that doesn’t accomplish anything except the murder of innocent. </p>
<p>I’m sorry, I can respect religious fanatics, but you just lost any ounce of respect I ever had for you.</p>
<p>I’m not talking about Palestine, they deserve some land, but I’m talking about murder of the innocents who have nothing to do with the dispute that you’re talking about. How does some random person going to work on a subway hurt Palestine?</p>
Freak, don’t give us that bs… You will respond when you have time because you need time to fabricate some lies.
If you say that there is a connection between homosexuality and aethism, I will say that there is a connection between Muslims and our economy going down the tubes (Which has more evidence than your blasphemous claim)
My evidence:
The Islamic religion is a religion of hierarchy which is not favorable for democracy
As a result of it not having the capacity to maintain a democracy, Islam and Muslim inherantly cause authoritarian dictators to take over
As a result of a dictatorship, the dictators feel they have little to no responsibility to anyone else
Due to this lack of accountability, they feel free to do whatever they want which is:
Kill their own people
Create hardships for products from their country
As a result of the second one, the price of oil goes up
As a result of the first one, justice needs to be done and we need to rid these people from power before they do any more damage</p>
<p>“non-Western cultures are peculiarly hostile to democracy” - Samuel Huntington
“It is clear that radical or fundamentalist Islam is by far the most formidable competitor to democracy” -Marc Plattner
Not only do those quotes help explain reasoning for the above, but it also explains why Business_Freak is so difficult to explain</p>
<p>hopkinslax, a few things I’d like to point out. There is no proper Islamic government in existence today, so please don’t confuse countries and corrupt governments with Islam itself. The Islamic religion is one where there is one leader, but he MUST consult with the people of his country before making any decisions that will affect them all. If there are too many people (which nowadays in any country, there would be) then representatives are to be elected from each region, just like in the United States. Regardless, all opinions are represented. It is the leader’s duty to govern for the people, and the peoples’ duty to correct him if he is wrong. Under ideal Islam, there would be democracy much greater than that in any country today. Unfortunately, that will likely not happen anymore.
The Islamic system is as anti-hierarchial as possible, and the only reason leaders and representatives are to be elected is to keep order and guide the state. They must be knowledgeable, fair, humble, honest and elected by the people. The only thing that makes one person better than another in Islam is their piety… and this is something only God measures. It is not right for one human to act arrogant and call himself more pious than another… that is not a sign of piety. (Reading that business freak?)
As you can see, modern “Islamic” governments are not like this. Remember that it’s the people that corrupt things, not the religion itself.</p>
<p>No, I am a faithful disciple of the University of Rochester Political Science Department.
And if you don’t like those ideas, you can go pick a fight with Samuel Huntington, but I am absolutely sure he knows a lot more than you do :)</p>
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