I Hate Everyday Math. What is the best Curriculum?

<p>I spent 3 years campaigning against the “new” math in our district. When my D had Mathematics in Context in 6th grade, I met with the teacher, principal, district math consultant, assistant superintendent, superintendent, and school board … in that order … giving them specific examples of its weaknesses and citing info from experts to support my concerns. I was blown off every single time. I finally put my kids in private school, even though it was a major financial strain. I just didn’t see any other way to do it. It was just too important.</p>

<p>My D had multiplied & divided fractions in elementary school. In 6th grade, she was being asked to compare fractions by putting water in a tuna can & pouring it into a soup can. It was so 1st grade! </p>

<p>D was stuck with it for 3 years, and when I put her in private high school, she scored 99th percentile on the math portion of the entrance exam. She was tentatively scheduled to be in Honors Geometry, but the school had a policy that all students would take a placement exam. D flunked the exam … she had not had nearly enough algebra, even though she theoretically had the first year of high school math in 8th grade (Integrated 1). She was placed in Honors Algebra, and she ended up having to double up on math classes junior year in order to take AP Calc senior year.</p>

<p>S had an amazing middle school math program, with a Pre-Algebra class, an Algebra class, and then another Algebra class (this one used the wonderful Brown series). He is now in a public high school, where he took Integrated 2 in 9th & now Integrated 3 in 10th. He hasn’t learned much new stuff, and he hasn’t gone as in-depth in algebra to date as he did in 8th grade. No difficult polynomials to factor yet. We are supplementing him with an intermediate algebra class at the local community college. His district went back to the traditional math, but he missed that by a year. His math teacher tells me her calc kids are so bad at algebra … she hates integrated math. My friend teaches cc chem & says the same thing.</p>

<p>I suggest going to mathematicallycorrect.com. They have a section that reviews math programs/books. There is a lot of good info on the site. I hope you can come up with a good way to supplement your child’s math education. It is so important!</p>

<p>You struck a chord with me…My 17-yr-old daughter was in a public elem school that was all over Everyday Math (I think, shortly after it came out)… She had come from pre-school and equiv of kindergarten at a Montessori school, which was SO much into the tactile learning. She couldn’t figure out why you’d “estimate” something when you could just figure it out. She went through the motions, got absolutely NOTHING out of the curriculum, and continued to excel in math via workbooks, computer math learning “games”, etc. When we moved and she went into a school with a more “traditional” math program in 4th grade, she was at least 2 years ahead of her classmates.</p>

<p>Whatapain…the best advice I can give is to try to supplement what he does at school, with “fun” things—and stay away from video games that are not directly reinforcing reading/writing or math skills… we used any and all opportunities to make games out of driving, shopping, waiting in lines, to play math games, Hangman, etc. In terms of writing, my daughters and I used to “write” stories verbally in the car. One of us would say a sentence, and then the next person added a sentence to continue the story. It usually got silly fast, but I usually tried to add larger words, etc. When they got older, we’d do it, but only add one word at a time…</p>

<p>If he is really spending “hours of math, spelling, and ‘reading for pleasure’ that he has to log” then you need to seriously discuss with the teacher what you can be doing to minimize that… at that age, there’s no way that school work needs to be drudgery, nor be that time consuming. There’s plenty of time in middle school and high school for that. Now is the time you want him to look forward to going to school! Good luck!!!</p>

<p>Yes, the Miquon Math series is based on Cuisenaire rods </p>

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<p>and they are a great tool for early math learning. One trick for using Cuisenaire rods is that ANY rod can be defined as the unit, making it easy to define fractions in different ways.</p>

<p>kelsmom—the tuna cans to teach fractions…a great example. I vividly remember a unit on shapes…and a worksheet about how shapes are used in their own homes…I mean, I guess it was a good concept, but it was so lame compared to the work she was capable of doing. So, gosh darn it, she had to tell the teacher how many rectangles she could find in our house, and she did!!! (it was a very rectangly house—I think we counted (or computed via calculator…NOT estimating!!!) over 1800 rectangles in that house. I went through the house with a crazed look in my eyes, Einstein-like hair flying everywhere…SHE WANTS RECTANGLES??? We’ll show her RECTANGLES!!! I think D finally just took it as another sign that I’d lost it, and went along for the ride. :)</p>

<p>I really hate the way estimating is taught. I agree with those who said that it needs to be used for something one might actually use it for … like getting a ballpark figure on a basket of groceries when there is only a finite amount of money available. Both my kids are excellent math students, but both had trouble with estimating for the simple fact that they could easily figure out the correct answer. The WORST is front-end estimating. It’s ridiculous.</p>

<p>My son was a natural math kid until he hit Everyday Math in second grade. He loved counting things and figuring them out. EM was so repetitive and slow, it drove him NUTS! and he always noticed (and was bothered by) the factual innaccuracies in the verbal problems. I agitated so much at the school that in 4th grade, I got him into a special class taught by the school’s enrichment teacher. He used the EM material, but compacted it and then spent the rest of class time on fun, interesting math-related stuff. Great year for my son. Then in 5th grade, despite the fact that he always tested at 99%ile in math, he was plunked back in ED math at a snail’s pace. So bored he couldn’t even pay attention. Another Mom and I pulled our kids out of math class mid-year, got them through 5th grade and half of 6th grade curriculum in a few weeks and had them placed in 6th grade math, where they were much less bored. Fortunately, the other Mom was an electrical engineer who had taught HS math.</p>

<p>Seventh and eighth grades, he basically did algebra I and he tested in to a special Math class in 9th and 10th grades that again compacted the Algebra II and Geometry curricula and added in really interesting problems, games and applications. Junior and senior years, he had a really inadequate teacher for Trig/Pre-calc and AP Calc. He ended up with a 5 on the AP Calc test and a 790 on SAT math, so I guess he learned something, but I feel like a natural love of math was not nurtured. Looking back, I wish I had homeschooled him.</p>

<p>OP</p>

<p>Learning disabilities are more common in gifted kids than in “normal” kids. So are “asynchronous” abilities, for example, the ability to think at a very high level and get really frustrated because one’s writing abilities can’t keep up with one’s thoughts. My son was like this. I really had to stick with him and advocate for him constantly. By high school, things had levelled out and he didn’t need me as much.</p>

<p>I think your son does need to be tested. I’m guessing high IQ and some quirks that are frustrating him. Like some reading/writing/processing difficulties that are masked because of his high IQ and gifted visual/spatial skills. These are just guesses, but something is amiss here.</p>

<p>Giftedness often does not make learning easier, especially in the early years. It can make life more difficult socially, emotional and academically, if it isn’t properly dealt with. I was helped by the work of Linda Silverman. I’ll try to find a book title for you.</p>

<p>OK, here are 2 books by Linda Silverman: Counseling the Gifted and Talented (I’ve read this one and it is excellent) and Upside-Down Brilliance: the Visual-Spatial Learner. I’m almost certain you will recognize your son in these books and learn a lot about how to help him. Don’t let this beautiful mind go to waste!</p>

<p>This sounds sooooo familiar. Both of my kids had a bad base for math that trickled up and affected them through high school. They both dropped out of math as soon as was possible at their school ( only 3 credits required) so their college apps had a weakness. The math weakness affected science offerings as well and that was unfortunate. They also both “hate math”.
I really don’t know the answer to your dilemma, but I can understand your frustration. I used to help them in elementary school and could not understand why they had to use such convaluted methods to arrive at answers when the old fashioned methods we were taught were so much easier. I showed them how I would get the answer and they would “get it” but then lose points on tests because they didn’t arrive at the answer the “teacher’s way”. Uggh.</p>

<p>Yes, I’m quite sure my son will never take another math course unless he needs a stats course in grad school. He was also turned off to science by marginal teaching, imo.</p>

<p>Its funny, I was just thinking about Everyday Math a couple of weeks ago. S1 started it in 2nd grade, when it was first brought to our district (he’s a college soph now)… I thought it was ridiculous then. He was never a spectacular math student, and I couldn’t understand how this was better than memorization. S2 began it the following year, when he was in kindergarten. I had to admit, that seeing the program from day 1 – it made more sense than starting it in 2nd grade. But S2 (who turned out to be a very good math student) had no troubles with it. He zipped right through the worksheets. A few weeks ago, I was doing hw with my 1st grade nephew, when he pulled out his math assignmnet, and there was an Everyday Math worksheet… I swear! I began to get heart palpitations at the sight of the In/Out charts! I just don’t agree that any of those manipulatives help them with higher level math. You just can’t beat memorizing the multiplication tables and basic rules of algebra. And I am what they’d call mathematically-challenged.</p>

<p>It could be that your son, like my son, is dysgraphic. My kid can write on a word processor, but can’t make the words come out fast enough with a pen or pencil. The physical act of writing exhausts him. This is especially true with math, because not only does he have to form the numbers, but he has to put them in the right place. One result is problems left undone, another is creative avoidance behavior, anything to avoid picking up a pencil. He is in eighth grade now and has some accommodations from the school. One is a laptop for writing in class. Various people (aides, teachers, other students) will take dictation from him to get his work done. Another is that he only has to do as many problems as he needs to get the concept in math–not the twenty or however many assigned. These accomodations took years to establish and while they seem obvious now, the school resisted for a long time. Here’s the best thing–we hired a 17 year old neighbor kid to be his Homework Coach two afternoons a week. Both son and coach enjoy their time together. On those afternoons we come home to hear, “My homework is done.” We love Tuesdays and Thursdays!</p>

<p>Our k-8 school began using TERC Investigations, then Everyday Math then Connected Math when S2, the mathy one, was in 3rd grade. By then, it was clear that S was quite advanced in math so that he would not be needing grade-level instruction. I do remember the very dubious look of the teacher as she flipped through TERC and wondered aloud how she would teach it. A few years later, she was far more comfortable with it. The district then decided to go with that approach throughout all schools.
Since S never followed the curriculum, I cannot comment on its effectiveness. Nor do I know whether parents felt the need to supplement the in-class instruction.
I do know that my H, a scientist, refused to make S focus on memorizing times tables. That’s how he’d been taught, and he had bad memories of it. He considered it important that students not just know how to do something, but when and why to do that something; in other words, whether an addition or multiplication was needed in a particular problem.
From the discussion, it seems that traditional math teaching errs on the side of teaching the “how” of arithmetics (quick, what is 8 times 9?) and TERC/Everyday Math err on the side of teaching the why and when of math. As in so many cases (I’m thinking of Whole Language and phonics) a combination of the two is probably the best. I vividly remember S1, the non-mathy one, explaining why he’d bombed on a science test: “I knew the formulat, I just did not know that it was what was needed here.” A little bit like knowing a screwdriver from a wrench. When should one use which? But knowing when does not really mean you know how to use it.</p>

<p>Mine is having a unit math test today. We’ll see how that goes. He’s a whiz with math questions that require a specific answer, but loses his patience when he has to estimate something that he can more easily answer directly. He doesn’t understand why he has to go through “lattice” contortions to multiply “plain old numbers.” I can’t understand either. He’s always been great at math. My husband started playing poker with him when he was about three (claims he’d been waiting a long time to have another man in the house) and it made me nuts, but the kid learned a lot of math skills from poker and is still incredibly quick with numbers. In Catholic school, the policy was that if you get the right answer, you got credit. In his current math, if you get the right answer, you are still wrong if you can’t write a sentence about it and show some bizarre path from 2+2 to 4. Now, we’re not talking about advanced mathematics here, multiplying two or three digit numbers is what it is and each problem shouldn’t require a darn essay. THe answer “I did it in my head” is a failing one.</p>

<p>I wanted to quickly pop in and say that I have been reading up on visual spatial learners, and I can see that there are other things about my son that I did not consider. </p>

<p>For example, my son has beautiful cursive writing, but when his print writing is terrible. One article said that printing is left brained, whereas cursive is right brained, and visual spatial learners are basically right brained. The mother also said in her article that her sons could spell well orally, but would not be able to do the same on paper. She noted that her sons were perfectionistic, and that her sons would think of elaborate sentences, but that their ability to write those words down was be overwhelming.</p>

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<p>She also discussed that her children could do mental math even though they had difficulty with showing their process. </p>

<p>She also talked of her sons problems with writing utensils, which I found interesting, because yesterday my son told me that his hand hurts when he writes. I told him that everyone’s hand hurts after they write for awhile, and I thought to myself “Geez, he doesn’t like to be put out for anything!” But now I wonder if I should have given it more thought. </p>

<p>The mother also says timed tests are a problem. That has been one of the teacher’s complaints about my son. She said that one day, he had answered 1 question on his science test in 50 minutes. But when she came around and noticed it, he got cracking and answered the other 9 in 15 minutes. He got a 90. This was again attributed to “behavior” and “he had the book in front of him, he just had to look it up”, but his answer to me was “That first question was hard”. </p>

<p>One thing that my son has done that has caused me to be annoyed is that he doesn’t take his math problems one at a time, but actually notices the problems at the bottom of the page that he thinks that he cannot answer. I have actually gotten mad and told him “focus on the first problem, worry about that one when you get to it”, because I felt that if he at least completes everything else, he’ll be ok. But maybe this is part of how he is, that he sees everything at once, processes the problems, and then gets hung up on the problem and never gets credit for the easy stuff that he could have done.</p>

<p>Another article said that many visual spatial children have a concurrent auditory processing problem. I have been reading that such children tend to be very physically and emotionally sensitive, and there is a genetic component. My daughter has an auditory processing problem (a neurological disability), was diagnosed. She also had a very bad speech problem. She spent her early years getting speech and AIS services, but then in the 7th grade she won the spelling bee, her grades were in the high 80’s-low 90’s, and they discontinued it. After puberty, I noticed that her speech would degrade again during PMS. She was very good at math. When she went into AP and Honors History/English classes, she took a VERY LONG time writing her papers. Poor organization was one factor in her disability. But when I went to the guidance office to tell them that we thought that her auditory difficulties had been aggravated by puberty, and that perhaps she should get a 504 Plan before going to college, the school psychologist said “Her grades are too high”. My daughter’s grades at the time (Freshman/Sophmore year) were only low 90’s. Now she works her tail off and is sleep deprived, but she gets high 90’s. I can’t help but think that my daughter may have done better all along if given the proper support, whatever that is.</p>

<p>Sometimes I have thought that I might be a high functioning autistic. I think that it is pretty obvious from my posts that I have no language issues (in fact, my career is research and writing intensive). But I do have some issues of my own. I have an intolerance to learning by listening. I think that I only noticed in because I was in college and the work was much harder and I had so much at stake. It was there that I realized that I needed to write down/type everything that the teacher said to retain it. I also rewrote what I read in my books. And developed formulas. Also, to this day, I am very sensitive to light and certain sounds. In college, I had to wear earplugs for tests because I almost failed once because of someone’s gum chewing. Heels clicking on floors, basically soft repetitive sounds. I actually saw a psychologist about this 15 years ago, it was so intrusive to my life, but she had no answers. I now think that this may have been caused by my amblyopia. Basically, I was nearsighted in one eye, farsighted in the other, so my brain shut down vision to my weaker eye. Since the brain basically rewired itself, and there is no cure. They say that you have to get to it really young and patch the strong eye to stop it. My problems with noises started when I was about 5, which would have been about the age when the brain would have been rewired for the ambylopia. I wear earplugs at the dinner table and to bed. I’ve also gone through periods during pregnancy where my skin was intolerant to touch. </p>

<p>About estimating. Back in the days when you had to actually key in prices, I was a cashier. It was a pain to “void”, so when customers would tell me how much they had, I think that’s when I started adding things in my head to avoid going over. So I started adding in my head, and I’d be breaking that down into functions of 10 and the easiest numbers as I went along. Even adding something like 1.63 + .49, I’d just think of it as “1.63+.40=2.03+.09=2.12”. I’m sure that there are people who can actually visualize numbers lined up to add and subtract, the way they teach you on paper, but I’m not one of them. But with this method of seeing things in 10’s, knowing the basic times tables 0-9 cold, and addition and subtraction 0-10 cold, I was eventually multiplying double digits times each other in my head. To this day, I can eyeball my shopping cart and can tell how much is in there within a few dollars.</p>

<p>Anyhow, my conference is tonight. I am going to read more on visual spatial learning, and I think that maybe I should focus my discussion on the conference on asking the teacher to try to read up on this as well and implement some techniques with him.</p>

<p>It is highly frustrating to these differently-wired kids to not be able to do what they see others doing effortlessly. Makes them feel stupid and defective, not pleasant feelings, so after awhile, the tendency is to stop trying. Your son needs to be properly assessed and someone needs to help him develop ways to work with his wiring.</p>

<p>Plus, this frustration often leads to behavior problems.</p>

<p>Even some really good teachers do not understand the needs of gifted kids because they haven’t been taught about it. And when the gifts come in a package with alternative wiring, as they so often do, teachers have trouble understanding that too. It can look like stubbornness and lack of motivation.</p>

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You mean the function machines? </p>

<p>Oldest son never had EM (he’s a college senior). Middle son had EM from 3rd grade - 5th grade (he’s now a hs jr). Youngest had EM from K on (he’s in 5th grade), and now they have it in 6th grade, too.</p>

<p>Last summer I tried to “break” him of doing the lattice for multiplication. He did learn to do the old way, but went right back to the lattice because he likes it better (he learned it first). </p>

<p>Who sold all these school systems on this EM, anyway?</p>

<p>My D, now a college freshman, went to a small private K-8 school which initially had a particularly week math program. When she was in 3rd grade, they “upgraded” to Everyday Math. At the time, I was going to graduate school to be certified to teach HS math, and I didn’t see much improvement by going to Everyday Math. Fortunately, she had a great math teacher in middle school, where they used something called Transition Math for pre-algebra and algebra. The biggest frustration of the math teacher was that the students didn’t come to her with “math sense”…they hadn’t developed a good “feel” for the right answer, weren’t comfortable with simple mental math, and the like. Fortunately my daughter found she liked math and was good in it in high school, but it was the only subject where she ever got less than an A.</p>

<p>I didn’t read the whole post (sorry) but I saw the title. My kids’ district started with Everyday math when they were in Elementary school. After a couple of years they realized that not only did the parents hate it, but it was not effective. When my younger child (D) was in 5th grade, they switched to a different curriculum. When statewide testing came around in 6th grade, her class had an unheard-of 30% increase in scores, over the kids from the previous year who hadn’t had a year to undo the damages of Everyday math.</p>

<p>I didn’t read the entire thread either, but when I saw “Connected Math” (post #51), I had flashbacks of wanting to pull my kids out of public. They began this in fourth grade, and I absolutely hated the curriculum. It was focused so much on writing, to the exclusion, in my belief, of the basics. I was sooo happy when they went to a regular Algebra textbook in eighth grade; however, I believe they were behind peers in other schools who did not use Connected Math. That, to me, was the worst math program I have ever encountered. I think, because the school bought into it, they felt the need to continue it, rather than cut their losses and go back to ‘real’ math.</p>

<p>I’m so glad my d’s schools stuck with a more traditional curriculum, although she also had to show the work the teacher’s way; getting the right answer wasn’t enough. Made it impossible for me to help her in the earlier grades.</p>

<p>Reading this thread saddens me - I thought the “New Math” craze went out while I was still in high school.</p>

<p>Historical perspective and recommendations for current practice: </p>

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