<p>Under your (everyone who thinks people that are against saying the pledge should move to North Korea) reasoning the Conservatives and Republicans on this site should go to some other forum like “Conservatives R Us” or something equally in tune with your political and moral ideals.</p>
<p>i love you both completely did not address what i said. it’s completely valid to take “under god” out of the pledge. i have friends who are agnostic, buddhist, athesist, hindu, unitarian universalist, and it’s completely unfair for them to have to say something, especially since they do love this country, that is not applicable to them. i say the pledge even though i dont believe in the christian God, but i shouldnt be told to fricken move to N. Korea because i disagree with something. it seems to be some of you are far too bitter toawards liberals.</p>
<p>Neither of us addressed what you said because this is not a true debate, just sporadic attempts to purvey our opinions in such a way that makes us feel good and insults the opposing party. :)</p>
<p>Wow, but doesn’t that feel demeaning? I mean, you just admitted that you won’t even hold a genuine argument - you just say whatever you feel like without analyzing it for the sake of self satisfaction. That seems like such a cheap way to advertise your opinions.</p>
<p>Anyway, yes, I’m an atheist, and no, I don’t generally say the pledge. However, moving to the DPRK absolutely would NOT solve the problem - the state still promotes itself and encourages the people to accept its decisions without thinking about them. THAT’s the problem I have - accepting things mindlessly.</p>
<p>And of course I don’t worry about “under god” moreso than international affairs, that’s ridiculous - it’s just the topic up for discussion on this particular thread. Nice humanitarian wish there, too.</p>
<p>Historically “under God” of course means under the Christian god, but I have friends who are Muslims, Jews, etc. and have no problem saying it, as they know under God is different to each person saying the pledge. </p>
<p>If your an atheist or agnostic just think about yourself when you say under God, as atheists and agnostics in the end just worship themselves.</p>
<p>“If your an atheist or agnostic just think about yourself when you say under God, as atheists and agnostics in the end just worship themselves.”</p>
<p>oh my god, you’re an idiot.</p>
<p>go to hell all of you anti-american scum</p>
<p>“go to hell all of you anti-american scum”</p>
<p>If one chooses not to say the pledge, dosen’t mean that they are anti-american.</p>
<p>There is no such thing as hell. I’ll have a hard time going to your silly little fairy tale land, especially since it doesn’t exist.</p>
<p>PS. Satanists worship themselves you dumb****, atheists and agnostics don’t worship anything (especially not santa cl…I mean god.)</p>
<p>if you choose to not say the pledge because you do not like the content, yes you then are anti-american. If you cannot pledge allegiance to this country your citizenship should be revoked. You guys make me sick</p>
<p>I’ve never refused to say the pledge of allegiance, if that was directed towards me.</p>
<p>umm cool goloani, unfortunately i dont care what you think and i say the pledge, i just dont think under god should be in it.</p>
<p>“If you cannot pledge allegiance to this country your citizenship should be revoked. You guys make me sick”</p>
<p>This is very un-american of you. You should be aware of the fact that all American’s have the right to FREEDOM OF SPEECH. By revoking somebody’s citizenship just because they do not wish to say the pledge, is clearly abusing that right. After all, doesn’t America pride itself for giving it’s citizens the right to say whatever they which?</p>
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<p>Finally, a quote from the Clouds might not be wholly inappropriate. See the conversation between the Old and New Arguments (line 960) for an amusing dialogue that can be applied quite effectively to the American culture war of today. </p>
<p><a href=“http://www.mala.bc.ca/~johnstoi/aristophanes/clouds.htm[/url]”>http://www.mala.bc.ca/~johnstoi/aristophanes/clouds.htm</a></p>
<p>Actually when you become a citizen of this country you pledge your allegiance to it, if you do not owe allegiance to this country then u should hae ur citizenship revoked. You are living here as a citizen, you are recieving the right of america yet u do not pledge allegiance to it? YOU ARE A DISGUSTING HUMAN BEING</p>
<p>Also God, in the pledge, can be anything you want it to be, if u are an athiests it can be whatever u value or hold higher than you or as an absolute such as reason or logic or whatever godless people value</p>
<p>um golani you are a little melodramatic. i dont care what “should” happen, we can have freedom of speech. If someone wants to disagree with the government, they are allowed to. Their citizenship isn’t going to be revoked no matter how much you want it to. sorry, bud.</p>
<p>Revoking someone’s citizenship for not saying some meaningless words borders on totalitarian. Think about it, you’re saying that we should round up people who refuse to say the Pledge and revoke their citizenship just because some people hold it in regard. If we were to suggest revoking people’s citizenships for not singing Happy Birthday on someone’s birthday, it would be ridiculous. </p>
<p>And no offense to Kennedy fans, but his speech does not apply to me if I don’t want it to.</p>
<p>look its real simple either you hold allegiance to this country or you dont. If you do you should ave no trouble saying the pledge for its general content</p>
<p>golani89: Explain to me why someone who doesn’t say the pledge BUT (most likely) pays taxes, does jury duty, votes, etc. should be shipped away to another country? O.o</p>
<p>yes golani89,explain.</p>