http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2017/10/watch_ice_agents_arrest_man_af.html
Some people need to revisit history, especially the “writs of assistance” and the abuse of them that led to the colonists here revolting against the British. Oh wait, these agents didn’t even have a writ! I don’t know the name for that but maybe Stalin does.
I’ve been reading all kinds of crazy stories about ICE these days. One story talked about how they hang about courthouses in plain clothes, refuse to identify themselves to local police when questioned, and grab their suspects and throw them in cars and drive off like a bunch of kidnappers.
They’ve been rounding up legal workers here in Ann Arbor. For example:
http://www.mlive.com/business/ann-arbor/index.ssf/2017/05/ann_arbor_business_owner_says.html
Luckily, Ann Arbor employers are pushing back and blocking ICE who try to come in without warrants.
Re: #3
http://www.mlive.com/business/ann-arbor/index.ssf/2017/05/new_details_on_ice_raid_after.html is a follow-up article in the incident.
Shameful.
Disgusting. Gives those Russian goons food for their anti-US propaganda.
Here’s what I was referring to in #2. It’s like we have our very own Secret Police now. I’m ok with ICE’s mission, but there’s a right way and a wrong way to go about these things.
““The standard report that we get from attorneys that witness these arrests is that ICE refuses to say who they are, they refuse to identify themselves, they refuse to answer yes or no when asked directly whether or not they’re with ICE and they refuse to provide any kind of paperwork from ICE showing that they have some type of administrative warrant for the arrest,” Wang says.”
http://time.com/4946747/immigration-plainclothes-brooklyn-courthouse/
http://www.theroot.com/plainclothes-ice-agents-who-did-not-identify-themselves-1818622478
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-ice-courthouse-arrests-20170315-story.html
Wasn’t there even an arrest in a hospital? These agents clearly need more training. But maybe that’s the point - someone’s point anyway - to have them not be “proper” law enforcement agents so they can better flout proper rules for law enforcement.
They target the weakest among us and get away with it. I’m sure that most of them believe that illegal immigrants aren’t covered by the US constitution. Is this really a gray area?
So I was thinking, that’s pretty dangerous - especially around here - for a plain clothes officer to try to arrest someone. What if that person is carrying concealed? But the article states they are arresting people inside the courthouse!! Doing that because they know everyone is screened for weapons before entering the courthouse, so this is “safer for everyone involved”… yes, indeed!
Deplorable.
About time they enforce our laws. Glad to see it. Many of these workers are exploited and jobs should go to legal US residents.
Terrible abuse of power.
They themselves should obey the law and good law enforcement practice.
Appearing in plain clothes and not clearly identifying themselves as law enforcement when going after someone for something like an immigration violation increases the risk for both themselves and the general public. The increased risk that the general public is less able to reliably tell the difference between genuine law enforcement and a criminal impersonating law enforcement.
In addition, in the Portland incident, they entered without either permission or a warrant in order to arrest someone who apparently was not in violation, since he was later released.
I agree. You can’t talk about enforcing the law if you break the law in the process.
In my city, the DA has been caught using fake subpeonas and also jailing material witnesses who don’t cooperate. Including rape victims and domestic violence victims. Some in LE need to be checked on and kept in line all the time. Too bad.
Sounds like in the Portland case the person(s) arrested could consider a civil action for $$$ against the over-zealous ICE agents.
Illegals arent as easy to find as the .gov makes it seem, but still shouldnt be here.
As far as lawsuits get out of here with that!! That is one of the biggest pitfalls in our society eveyone wants $$$ for anything.
Arrested and released with no charges does not equal sue!!
Assuming you could get ICE to admit you were even arrested and produce related paperwork. A pretty big assumption - ICE is pretty notorious for stonewalling.
Edit: I see in the article that ICE did admit arresting the guy. I hope he (or the homeowner) does take some legal action.
When the government breaks well-established law and clearly violates basic constitutional rights, one remedy to get them to change their behavior is to sue. Some people might prefer to write a strongly-worded letter and hope for the best, but someone whose rights are forcibly violated by agents of the state as part of a pattern of abuse might prefer a stronger remedy, and they are within their constitutional rights to do so.
In this case I personally think a lawsuit would be a very good thing not to enrich the person arrested, but to protect all of us as residents of the US from having law enforcement barging into our homes and arresting people without warrants.
I’m amazed that a few here seem to support or excuse their government’s willingness to break laws and constitutional rights. A very slippery slope if not monitored and challenged.
I hope you’re not people decrying perceived threats to free speech and the right to bear arms.