I'd like to pay for a niece's private HS. Concerned about new school ruining GPA?

<p>@busyperson It’s not that I am not a fan of Catholic schools. I don’t dislike them. It’s just that changing friends shouldn’t really be a factor in making the move to a private school. The kids there could be bright and driven, but could be more toxic for the niece. I didn’t denigrate any school. I made it clear that I was talking about some students, whether public or private.</p>

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Exactly, which is why the OPs plan could go wrong very quickly.</p>

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I never said that anyone did. But switching schools in hopes of finding more driven (or in other words, upper class) students may not work in the OPs favor. I’m just trying to show more sides to a discussion. </p>

<p>I never meant to offend anyone. I think you just misinterpreted what I said.</p>

<p>Thank you, Annie. I appreciate what you said in post #140. Thank you.</p>

<p>I feel like there are too many unknown factors here regarding her current school, current group of friends, and the new school. I still do not understand why the niece can’t increase her course rigor in her current school, which would introduce her to a new group of friends. Is this " easy" grading system where A’s are given out " like candy" only seen in this girls classes, or is this grading style present throughout the entire school? How rigorous are the honors and AP classes in the current school? Too many questions here for me to figure out what’s going on. </p>

<p>@busyperson You’re welcome. I hope I didn’t offend anyone.</p>

<p>@AnnieBeats‌, No worries. You always have constructive ideas and keen insights. Thank you, again for your post in #140. I appreciate it sincerely! :slight_smile: </p>

<p>Well, with all this nice talk, the point still remains: Aunt wants to give Niece a better opportunity and has some consideration ahead of her, some homework to do. This isn’t about seg academies or some problem someone had somewhere, but whether Aunt’s plan and the particular school(s) she has in mind, are good for her niece. Might she hit some adjustment issues? Sure. Might she benefit? Sure. Miles to go before this decision is made. </p>

<p>If I’m reading this correctly, the aunt (post 121) does think her sister is doing a lousy job with the niece and wants to step in and send the niece to another school. This sounds like a recipe for disaster potentially. </p>

<p>I gotta say, there are some areas where I don’t agree with my sister about her parenting choices, but I wouldn’t try to change things radically for my nephews just because I disagree with her. </p>

<p>If my sister couldn’t afford a private school for her kid, but I could, that puts a different spin on things. I might well open a conversation with my sister then. I can imagine circumstances where this would lead to World War 3, and circumstances where the mom might be pleased and open to the offer.</p>

<p>My impression is that op wants to get her niece
1.away from the borderline group of friends
2. In a more strict teacher/mentor environment
3 but is worried about the GPA drop
With #1 being the most important.</p>

<p>With many schools, kids tend to be cliquey. It’s actually pretty hard in HS to change cliques. Really the easiest way to change cliques or to “reinvent” yourself is by changing schools. Thus changing schools makes sense. As long as the niece is in agreement that she will basically need to do the work to make new friends in the new school. if the niece is the “queen bee” at her current school and leading this borderline clique, then it is quite possible that she will become a “queen bee” at the new HS and lead another borderline crowd. Maybe it would be good to discuss her position in the hierarchical structure of her current clique. </p>

<p>Fwiw, at a lot of private Catholic schools, those kids have been together since Kindergarten. It is quite difficult to come in as a sophomore in high school and suddenly become a “queen bee”. </p>

<p>Bad companies corrupt good manners.
If you and your sister are noticing something that is alarming and in fact a risk to her success and future, then do all you can to rescue her.
It is not too late.
Yes, grades are bound to drop due to more challenging materials that she is not used to, but in the long run it will better prepare her for college, and she will find college more pleasant.
And in most cases, colleges know the difference between a 4.0 form a public HS in the boonies that a 3.5 form a challenging private HS.
Best of luck to you.</p>

<p>Romani, she might be better off at one of the stand alone Catholic high schools. We have several in town that don’t have feeder elementary schools. Lots of people whose kids went to the public schools go to them because they just want a smaller school. I don’t know what the OP’s choices are.</p>

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<p>The public she attends is better than average and offers numerous opportunities to students who are on the honors track. She is not in honors, which I believe she missed out on as a transfer into the district in the 7th grade (and a lack of parental involvement). I can’t say if the teachers are different or more involved with students in the honors/AP courses. They are the same teachers who are the ones letting her skate with minimal work or oversight, so more demanding work would likely merely result in a poorer GPA.</p>

<p>She has a window of two years, more or less, to frame her college application and mature as a student. She doesn’t have an infinite amount of time here, nor do you get a re-do of 10th grade. I have to consider what could and probably will happen at the public this year and moving forward. And I have to consider what some disruption (the private) might stoke. The data I have shows very clearly there was no change between 8th and 9th grade, her lack of discipline and circle of friends do not make me optimistic that she is going to do a 180 in the same environment. Nor do the parents’ history of actions.</p>

<p>I believe keeping her at the public is kicking the can down the street.</p>

<p>Have you had discussions with your niece to assess how motivated she might be to follow through with all that might be required of her at the new school? If there is the lack of guidance and support at home that you imply, then it might also be reasonable to think about whether the new school is going to produce the result that you desire.</p>

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So basically what you are saying is that you want your niece to change schools just because you don’t like her group of friends. This is why you should be hesitant about doing this. If you don’t know about her current academic situation and if you don’t know about her school and the teachers, how could you possibly take the lead on this and try to control your niece? They aren’t letting her skate on minimal work. It’s called a *non rigorous * course. They aren’t supposed to have a lot of work. That’s the entire point of taking them. If your niece takes the same initiative that she would need to take at a private school, then the amount of work and the rigor of it increases.</p>

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Then why would you change schools? This is exactly the point that I’m making. If you switch her to a private school for a more rigorous, hands on approach to learning, her GPA will drop the same way that it would in public school. </p>

<p>It seems like you have a bigger problem with your sister than you do with your nieces education. It seems like you are just trying to take on the roll of her mom when you aren’t her mom. That’s bound to cause tension between you and your sister. </p>

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<p>The hands on approach is what I’m targeting. I don’t believe the hands on approach is available at her public. I believe middle 80% students like her are more or less ignored.</p>

<p>PS
Your tone is a bit combative and you’re kind of overtaking the thread retreading points that have been hit previously. Are you by chance atheist or agnostic? I can’t help but detect something deeper than concern for my niece. I suppose you could also be a public school parent or faculty with severe disdain for privates. I have nothing bad to say about her public or any publics, it’s just clearly not working for her and the time to act is now.</p>

<p>Whoa, there, Aunt Julia - aren’t you being a little combative yourself? I think that Annie does bring up a good point - namely, have you discussed this plan with your sister? I went back through your posts in this thread. While it appears that you have broached the subject with your niece, I don’t see where you’ve had a thorough discussion with your sister. </p>

<p>I know every family is different, but I’d be pretty angry with my sister if I discovered she was seriously talking with my D about switching schools without seriously talking with me and my husband first. From the outside (and I admit, all I have is an outsider’s perspective), Annie’s comment rings true: It seems like you have a bigger problem with your sister than you do with your niece’s education.</p>

<p>Just for the record, I am a pretty devout Christian who has had some so-so experiences with the Catholic schools in my area (along the lines of Roman’s observations up-thread - a lot of cliquishness among the students, especially the girls…)</p>

<p>@scout59‌ Sorry, yes, I have discussed this with my sister. She’s sees the pros and cons just like everyone else. Weighing the pros and cons is the difficult part. That said, I also don’t think she sees the big picture or what road her daughter is going down. It’s clear as day to me, but the sense of urgency is not there with her or her husband.</p>

<p>I think what a number of people have tried to express is that, putting aside the family dynamics, that whether such a change will help her in the long run very much depends on the school. At diocesan high schools, there may be less “hands on” and counseling than at an “order” non-diocesan school or at an independent school. While it varies tremendously by school, our experience at diocesan high school was a very conformist, hierarchical environment, where the football players and cheerleaders were at the top of the social group, and students scraped for their moves up the social ladder. There was lots of sex, and drugs, and alcohol, but the parents did not believe their kids were doing it. The point is – Catholic school as a category is not a simple solution, it depends on a deeper understanding of each school. </p>

<p>Yes, if your niece were to change schools into a more demanding program, and is accustomed to doing little work, her gpa will drop. A decline in a gpa in 11th grade has to be explained – if it rebounded strong by second semester 11th grade, and continued strong through fall of 12th, she could be ok. Colleges only see fall of 12th grade, so you are looking at 3 more semesters, if I am remembering correctly that she finished 10th. However, if she switched into more rigorous courses and her grades dropped and stayed low, that is not going to help her.<br>
Now, if she would consider repeating 10th grade as part of the move, that gives her some wiggle room to adjust. Most kids do not want to do that, though it is common in making the move to boarding schools. </p>

<p>Another consideration is just how she is going to get into the higher level courses at the Catholic school. They will look at her current class rigor and place her accordingly. Again, your mileage may vary, but regular courses in our diocesan school, as opposed to Honors, are not academic and are filled with the same kids who are in those types of classes at public school. </p>

<p>I think what a number of parents have tried to say is that, changing schools may not be the panacea you hope for. It may be more productive to talk about how to use her current strong grades in regular curriculum to move her into higher level courses at the same school. A teacher teaching regular US history and AP US History is teaching two entirely different courses and the expectations are different. The simple fact that the teacher is the same does not mean the course expectations are the same. Moving into more rigorous courses, at least in her areas of strength, could help her shift her peer group and expose her to other choices. </p>

<p>Alternatively, perhaps look at some summer enrichment activities that might help spark her interest and expose her to more interesting kids. Any day programs at local museums, college etc? Although many of the extended programs are likely to be full at this point in the summer, there could be some August programs she could do, depending on your school calendar. </p>

<p>Or are there any private college consultants in your area that you could schedule a meeting with – a 3rd party who is not emotionally involved could give good feedback about what college options may be available if your niece remains on this track, vs what they could be if she adjusts going forward. Teenagers do not look further ahead than today, so they just don’t believe that they can’t fix their future at some vague point later. Hearing from a 3rd party could help motivate her. </p>

<p>As a parent who moved transferred a student because the academics were going off a cliff, it is scary to watch a talented young person flounder. There is no easy fix, and some doors will be closed. But that is not the end of the world, and can be an opportunity for a student to learn more about themselves, their choices and goals. </p>

<p>You obviously care deeply about this child, and teenagers need lots of different adults rooting for them. Good luck to you and your niece. </p>