If the Ivy League added 2 schools, which would they be?

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<p>Earl the Pearl was my favorite player of all time. He was as brillant as Bradley, just absolute poetry to watch. From NBA.com, a description that might help Hawkette understand:</p>

<p>Lacking great speed and leaping ability, Monroe compensated with a feathery jump shot and a patented spin move that he initiated by bumping up against an opponent and making contact before spinning away to launch one of his unorthodox shots. Most of all, Monroe made his mark with his uncanny moves to the hoop. Employing a hesitation dribble or perhaps a double-pump or triple-pump fake, he would slip past mystified opponents and drop in layups. </p>

<p>Observers said that watching him play was like listening to jazz; his moves resembled free-floating improvisations, riffs that took off in midflight and changed direction unpredictably. “The thing is, I don’t know what I’m going to do with the ball,” Monroe once admitted, “and if I don’t know, I’m quite sure the guy guarding me doesn’t know either.” </p>

<p>Hawkette feel free to apologize. So far this week you’ve called me elitist, a racist, insecure and a bad face for Chicago.</p>

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<p>They called Earl “Thomas Edison” for all the moves he would create on the court. He was a cool player. </p>

<p><a href=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMNAyAEEWMM[/url]”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMNAyAEEWMM&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Oh Gator, thank you, thank you, thank you. I can’t tell you how it felt to watch that.(And eek there was even Red Holtzman :slight_smile: )</p>

924

<p>Youtube is your friend! There is an endless amount of sports clips posted. It’s nice using it to watch the old generation of sports, which is far better than today’s game imo.</p>

925

<p>Gator, this is something we can agree upon 100%. I’m a huge fan of the “old school” game. Earl the Pearl, Elgin Baylor, Rick Barry, Pete Maravich, Wes Unseld, etc.</p>

926

<p>my favorite period in basketball is the 80’s. magic, bird, mj transforming into the basketball god, bad boy pistons, dominique, julius wins a title, celtics lakers unique rivalry, etc. god, what has happened to basketball and the nba. damn spurs, the most boring team in the history of basketball. o yea, and proof that the game is rigged.</p>

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<p>Duke Basketball anyone? That is the reason they would not go Iby.</p>

<p>Elton Brand, Grant Hill, JJ REddick and of course Kryszewski.</p>

928

<p>When you look at all of the factors of what the “Ivy League” means, the first thing that comes to mind is the athletic conference. The Ivy League consists a marginal division I athletics in large team sports, but often excels in other, lesser known sports like crew, track, swimming, fencing, and squash. Also, the Ivy League schools have a large, prestigious history. All of the Ivies are on the east coast. Further, the Ivies do not give out scholarships to recruited athletes. The fact that all Ivies are excellent institutions of higher learning and are all old does not bind them. They are bound by being a sports conference in most NCAA Division I athletics.</p>

<p>With all of this being said take out Duke and Georgetown due to their athletic prowess and scholarship offers to athletes.</p>

<p>Stanford is on the West Coast, so they’re a no.</p>

<p>MIT has a very limited sports program and are not Division I in the sports they do have.</p>

<p>Suitable candidates would be Holy Cross and Colgate, but these schools do not have the history nor academic reputation where the Ivy League would take them in.</p>

<p>If the Ivy League tomorrow decided they were going to add 2 schools to the Conference, they would add the U.S. Military Academy and the U.S. Naval Academy. Here’s why…</p>

<p>Both of these schools have long illustrious histories behind them. Both have produced leaders who have shaped the world.</p>

<p>We already face the Ivies in most sports as it is on a regular basis since it is not too far of a hike to any of the schools. The Academies do not offer scholarships to athletes… needless to say our sports are not that great.</p>

<p>Do we need to question the academic prowess of the Academies?</p>

<p>If you wanted to, you can look at the cumlative list of Rhodes scholarship winners:</p>

<p>Harvard 293
Yale 197
Princeton 166
U.S. Military Academy 86
Stanford 75
U.S. Naval Academy 41
U.S. Air Force Academy 34</p>

<p>Oh yeah, the Ivies did offer Army and Navy a chance to join the Ivy League back in the early 1900’s, but both turned them down to compete as independents until the Patriot League formed.</p>

<p>My guess now is that Army and Navy would still turn the offer down if asked today, but if the Ivies ever wanted to add 2 schools, it would be these.</p>

<p>Army and Navy would not want to be lumped in with a bunch of “Academic” institutions anyway because that would mean people would be applying to these institutions simply because they were “Ivy League”.</p>

<p>But, as someone already brought up, why would the Ivies want to expand?</p>

<p>8 is a nice number, especially when it comes to playoff brackets.</p>

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<p>I think the difference between Army and Yale is that Army is a military academy. I think this is a bigger difference than offering scholarships to athletes like Stanford or Duke.</p>

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<p>Excellent post, except that the academies were never “offered” admission to the Ivies. The league was not formed until the mid-1950’s, so the putative offer of membership a century ago ot Army and Navy did not happen then nor at any time, nor could it have. In addition, I take exception to the quality of athletics at Georgetown; the school admits basketball players on a completelly different track and does well in that sport. It does not excel in any other major sport, and its football team is worse than most or all of the Ivies.</p>

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<p>I don’t get why so many people object to MIT just because it’s more technical and less liberal arts. What the hell does that have to do with anything? The students there are as smart as at any Ivy school. It’s not like they are going to decide a tied football game with a spelling bee or a topology proof. Methinks current Ivies are worried about being shoved down a peg by the addition of MIT (which is the only college in the country that would join as a member of the upper tier of ivies–don’t give me that Stanford crap).</p>

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<p>Holy Cross and Colgate have athletic relations with Ivies that is well over 100 years. HC is playing 4 Ivy schools in football this fall and has played Harvard and Dartmouth since the 1890’s. While Holy Cross and Colgate are LAC’s, they do share another Ivy trait-both have very strong alumni networks with HC’s alumni giving rate of 53%. As others have noted the Patriot League is non-scholarship league based on the Ivy model.</p>

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<p>Patriot League gives athletic scholarships.</p>

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<p>Georgetown and William and Mary. Both old, good academically, the right size, and East Coast. Case closed. Why did I ever start this thread?</p>

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<p>Why did I ever start this thread?.. because you’re a dork.</p>

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<p>I agree that Georgetown is the best choice.</p>

<p>It’s definitely got the history (founded in 1789! Older than some Ivies), and it’s not technically in the South (DC is above the Mason-Dixon line). It’s only 2 hours from Penn, which is about 6 hours from Harvard (by train/car), so distance isn’t really a factor- it just extends the League a little further south, but not into the South. It has the beautiful, neo-gothic architecture like the other Ivies, great academics, and a similar student body (size, diversity, rigor, etc.).</p>

<p>Also, it adds some prestigious programs to the Ivy League that currently are lacking. The School of Foreign Service can’t be beat in terms of International Relations (especially for undergrad), and it also adds another undergraduate school of business and school of nursing (which aren’t common in other Ivies).</p>

<p>Also, I think it’s important that the “new” school be in a different city from the rest. If you added MIT, you’d have 2 Ivies right across the river from eachother! That just wouldn’t work. DC is a big, world-class city with a rich history, and no other Ivy. Georgetown is also undeniably the best school in the area.</p>

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<p>uh, i don’t think messrs. mason and dixon would like their line moved. it divides PA and MD, and last time i looked the district is well south of that.</p>

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<p>Ha! You are, of course, correct. For some reason I had a faint memory of it crossing DC. Thanks for pointing that out. ;)</p>

<p>Ok, but still, it’s very close to the line, and if you’ve ever been to DC, then you would know that it is definitely not a “Southern” city. My argument still applies.</p>

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<p>lived there on six different occasions on both sides of the river.</p>

<p>but if you were mr. lincoln in 1861 you would think very differently. our 16th president had to use a writ of habeus corpus to get the “southern” legislature of maryland to stop its succession from the union and surround honest abe and his government.</p>

940

<p>Oh yeah, I wasn’t saying that you’ve never been there- and I agree that in the past it has been a very southern city. But now, it’s about as southern as Baltimore or Philadelphia (in my opinion).</p>