<p>how well should a person expect that val/sal to do at a college (i.e. state school) assuming the same hard work and discipline applied to his/her college studies? And if he/she was following the pre-med track…also how well do u expect them to do on their MCATs assuming they had around a 2200 SAT score?</p>
<p>The percentile on the mcat will be lower. The gpa will probably be lower too.</p>
<p>If 2200 roughly equates to 33 on the ACT, it seems that in many cases (mine included) MCAT score was within 2 points of ACT score. Goes without saying this is a rough estimate and a lot more goes into your score than whatever the SAT is measuring.</p>
<p>Plus, who knows how the MCAT will change in 2015 (if it will even change at all), and how (or if) the new scores will compare to the old ones.</p>
<p>I think the short answer to your question is…it’s too early to tell.</p>
<p>The predictive value of being val/sal should depend on the high school. I attended a large public magnet school. I was 2/650, with a 4.0 GPA. In college(public flagship) I’m still a 4.0 (so far) and still ranking at or near the top of the classes I take. (e.g. A+'s in Orgo 1/2)<br>
I also scored a 2200 on the SAT (walk in, no prep) and I’ve sat for a proctored practice MCAT this summer, scoring a 36(13,12,11) with no prep(we were not allowed to study for it). I will take the MCAT this spring.</p>
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<p>…including it’s size and competitiveness. Small private high school class <30, or large public with 650+? One NMSF every decade, or 5% of the senior class every year? Lotsa AP/IB/honors courses, or lotsa shop courses?</p>
<p>Thus, the OP’s question is not answerable.</p>
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DS’s high school is almost like this. (Maybe the NMSF rate is slightly lower, e.g., 4%.)</p>
<p>I even suspect that he might need to work harder academically (or less balanced, less ‘enjoyable’ life) in high school than in college. It does not mean It is easier for him to maintain a higher GPA in college than in high school.</p>
<p>Super high GPAs at high school level could be not very meaningful (sort of depending on who your teacher is, or what class you take, or are careful in the choices of your ECs if you want to be val or sal) except that it could help you get into a “good” college if you are from a large, sort of competitive high school. Super high GPAs at the college level is not absolutely necessary, because a college student with a good enough GPA but extremely good ECs seems to be more competitive as a premed than one with an extremely good GPA but not so good ECs. To put it bluntly, your college GPAs are not very useful in the eyes of medical school adcoms except that they want to be sure your good enough to pass STEP-1, but your EC skills could help them to tell whether you will be a good doctor in the “service industry” or not.</p>
<p>I think a student who has a strong work & **study **ethic for academics, who continues that in college and really WANTS to be a MD …and has those stats…has a good chance of doing well in his Science and Cum GPAs and MCAT. </p>
<p>One issue is that you have 4 more years to keep up the good work, and don’t get burned out or distracted as an undergrad.</p>
<p>Another issue can be that some high schools only test on lecture material and some kids aren’t used to learning from their textbooks.</p>
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A very good point. I suspect that one reason why some high school kids do not use textbooks much is that, some textbooks are so watered down (have you heard of “rainforest math”, “conceptual physics”?) that it discourages college-bound kids from reading them. Sometimes, except for AP or close to AP level classes, many high school textbooks appear to be designed for kids who do not plan to continue on the academic track after high school! (e.g., vocational schools.) When you notice that a high school kid reads the problem set only when he/she ver open the textbook (just because they need to do the assigned homework) and once in a while skimming the few examples in the text and boxed formula and almost never need to read and learn from textbook, it seems something is not right to me.</p>
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<p>That’s absolutely ridiculous. Im nothing like that at all to some extent. First of all, my public high school is extremely weak in terms national SAT average scores (our average was around 100-200 points below the national average). We had around 380 kids. I had a ~3.92 GPA b/c i got screwed over by a couple of teachers (bad luck really). I also had to work hard for a 2200 SAT, which u seemed to score without prep. Then again, i never had a solid academic foundation throughout my life. I started to care more about my academics once high school started. Our school also produces an NMSF once a decade. Our val who went to an ivy league wasn’t even close to NMSF and neither were the vals from the years extending to my freshmen year.</p>
<p>Also we didn’t have many AP courses either.</p>
<p>mersault–then you really don’t know want to know about D2’s HS–it produces 25-45 NMF/NMSF/NM Commended each YEAR. (Approx 1/3 of the entire state’s total.) Plus the occasional Intel semi-finalist and National Presidential Scholar for Arts. (Oh, and two 2012 Olympics contenders–one in decathlon and one in 1500 meters track. One was D2’s classmate; the other was in the class behind D2 and lives 3 doors down from us.)</p>
<p>It only offers a few APs – 4 sciences [bio, chem, physics and CS], math, 2 foreign languages (Spanish, French) and art. None in English, social sciences, music or other foreign languages. </p>
<p>The val of D2’s class had a perfect 4.0 (unweighted, but she did take APs classes in science and math) and was profoundly deaf from birth. She goes to Stanford where, by all reports, she is doing quite well there.</p>
<p>lol we only had two NM commended (me and another dude–not the val). We have about 11-13 AP courses. But that’s it. What is wrong with your school? how does it crank out so many beasts? lol</p>
<p>I’m really worried about going into Undergrad. I go to one of the weakest schools in my state. Average SAT score is 1300/2400, and once every five years does someone get into an Ivy, usually Cornell at that. Even the Vals/Sals usually max out their SAT score at ~1950. My school provides a horrible foundation for Undergrad.</p>