If your income increased to $200,000, would your spending increase to consume the extra income?

If your income increased to $200,000, would your spending increase to consume the extra income? This is with the assumption of starting with up to upper middle income (up to $100,000). If your income is already $100,000 or higher, consider the question as if your income doubled.

This is a take on the “family earning $200,000 but cannot afford to save or pay for the kids’ college costs” situation that keeps getting brought up on these forums. Lots of people with incomes lower than that find it hard to believe that it would be difficult to save a lot of money on that high an income.

“Need rises with income. What was out of the question when you made $25,000 becomes urgent at $50,000 and indispensable at $80,000.” -Jane Bryant Quinn

“Income creep” is a real thing and it is a lot easier for folks to spend more as opposed to economizing more–take a look at Bogleheads.org if you want to read about living below your budget and guarding against “income creep.” Look at all the folks who are overextended on credit cards they can’t pay off.

How many of us are no longer living like frugal college students once we got jobs and entered the full time workforce? Once there are raises, how quickly are those funds absorbed into the household budget?

I think if your income doubled and you had immediate expenses such as college, you can devote some of this extra income to expenses of college – that’s what some folks do by getting an extra job or taking on more hours or having no working spouse work to add income to the family.

Some of it will also have to go toward added taxes, perhaps additional expenses incurred with earning that extra income and perhaps more convenience items, as earning more often requires more time so there may be less time to devote to family–meal prep vs takeout, cleaning vs hiring cleaners, etc.

Now that our income has increased, we do eat out much more often, travel more often and for longer, and give more money to our kids.

I’d definitely pay more towards more loans and take a vacation… but honestly I don’t think I could figure out how to spend 10s of thousands more right now (assuming my income doubled to about 100k and assuming that there’d be a significant increase in taxes that would cut into the additional 50k).

If it increased incrementally instead of all at once though, I would probably slowly upgrade things- new(er) car, a few pieces of furniture I need to replace, etc.

My income jumped from less than 20k to 50k in the course of a few months. I am definitely spending more than I was on 20k but that’s mostly because I was just getting the absolute necessities. I also have a mortgage now which eats into that extra income.

I still don’t understand how someone with 200k can’t contribute significantly to college costs. But this is probably because I have no intention of moving into a bigger house (mine is plenty big and bigger just means more painful walking) or trading in my car until it’s not worth the money to repair it. This isn’t really a me growing up poor mentality but more of the environmentalist in me. I believe in using things until you can’t use them anymore (or the environmental cost of continuing to use it is higher than tossing it and getting a new one).

Love that quote @surfcity, hadn’t heard it before.

To answer the question, we save about ~30% of our income each year (in a combination of retirement, home equity via paying down our mortgage, HSA, 529 & taxable accounts). We pay around 30% in taxes, a little more if you count property tax and sales tax into that figure. That leaves us 40% of income to live on. We have a nice standard of living.

If our income was suddenly doubled, I know we would increase our savings rate because we have increased it each year with the kind of ‘cost of living’ income increases we already enjoy. Maybe we would increase our overall savings rate to 40%? 50% if you counted the savings we do now (not counted in the 30% figure above) that will be consumed fairly quickly - vacation savings, new car savings, home maintenance/remodeling savings (that does account for 10% of yearly income now).

We will be considered full pay parents at any college in the US. My children will not be posting on CC about how hard paying for college is at our income level because that claim would be absurd. But, we are savers so my perspective might be very different from those who don’t prioritize saving.

A couple of thoughts:

This issues has been often studied, and the general consensus is that people’s spending increases to match their incomes. I know people who make $500,000 a year who live paycheck to paycheck.

Its not difficult to save money if your income doubles, but one has to have the will power. Given that the overall savings rate in the US is 5.5 percent, most Americans lack the willpower.

When incomes go up dramatically, income taxes rise as well. Given a marginal income tax rate of 28 percent, a hypothetical increase in income is accompanied by a hypothetical increase in taxes. Adding SS, state and local taxes, the hypothetical $100,000 raise may be as low as $60,000 on an after tax basis.

College costs have risen dramatically over the past two generations, with costs rising a twice the rate of inflation. People who are hitting their prime earning years are flabbergasted that they are being asked to spend up to a quarter millions dollars on something that two generations earlier was a relatively modest expense. According to the college board, annual tuition at a private four year college in 1980 was $10,525 per year in 2016 dollars. Today, the cost is $33,479 per year for a product that has, if anything, become less valuable over time.

https://trends.collegeboard.org/college-pricing/figures-tables/tuition-fees-room-and-board-over-time

For the first year spending would go up. I live in a fixer upper that needs lots of repairs and drive an old car that could use replacing. But I love my primary job and have those plans to do a residency which means little vacation time in my future. So no opportunity for travel which otherwise would be my biggest spending temptation. Oh my tithe would double if income doubled.

Nope nope nope. Forgot the word “perceived” before “needs”. Our income doubled in the years before my kids started college. While the first one was in school, we paid cash every year for her college, and at the same time saved a year’s equivalent for her brother’s. So yeah, we did spend a lot more, but our lifestyle remained unchanged. And when we later halved our income (voluntary career changes), we had no trouble doing so.

The thing is it’s not like you really double your take home pay. You would definitely be in a higher tax bracket. you also lose any college deductions, credits for kids under 18 and you may end up paying that awful alternate minimum tax…You would still be putting away the same % of gross for retirement so while it would be easier to pay for college it’s not like the huge windfall that it sounds like it would be.

Our household abruptly income rose when we had 2 in college. I worked and was paid more, H got some raises. We were able to pay our after merit cost for S and full freight for D out of current income. We used the payment plan to stretch payments out so it worked better for us. It was challenging but we didn’t want more debt so close to H’s retirement, so we are lots of peanut butter sandwiches and oatmeal and made it work.

Once they graduated, income went back down and now has gone back up. We save more and yes, spend more nowadays.

I think the question has 2 answers for most people.

If your income suddenly rose to $200K then I think many people would be able to put it into buckets (savings, vacation, college fund, etc).

But few people have that kind of transition. Take instead a gradual transition from $50K family income upon college graduation to $200K 25 years later. This may not be an unusual increase for many 2-income families. The annual increase, though, is less than 6%. A slower change of this kind is more easily absorbed; better vacation or car, after a few years a bigger house seems affordable, etc.

^But you would still know that college was coming (if that’s a thing that matters to you, which is true for most people). So it’s still a decision–we can keep upping the lifestyle, or we can plan for college. If the former is the choice, fine, but then don’t talk about how college is too expensive or why don’t we get financial aid?

And also realize you chose to put your kids in a bind for paying for college. I’m not saying that is not a valid choice; I’m just saying own it.

^^^ That gets to the cost of college. Most parents don’t think about college until their oldest kids hits high school. Then the shock come in when they realize the sticker prices are what they are expected to pay. Frankly, the funds these schools demand are ridiculous, and the outrage should be directed at the schools, not the parents who didn’t have the foresight to save $250,000 per kid for college tuition in addition to paying a mortgage, raising kids, etc.

I’d increase my retirement savings and feel a bit freer to help a few friends who are struggling financially (e.g., give one of them money to buy a new laptop computer). But my lifestyle wouldn’t change.

Yes, marginal income tax rate does increase. Here are some estimates:

http://www.tax-rates.org/income-tax-calculator/

Assumptions: married couple, two kids, California state income tax, standard deduction. Income taxes includes payroll taxes, and all income is assumed to be labor income subject to payroll tax (and not given favorably reduced tax rates like long term capital gains).



Gross income    Income taxes    After-tax income
 50000       6826        43174
100000      21034        78966
150000      39980       110020
200000      58395       141605
300000      99483       200517


Still, doubling one’s income will result in a substantial increase in after-tax income.

A good question, and thanks for starting this new thread. I am interested to see what others say, and also want to take my own crack at providing some thought starters.

About 30% of that increased income will go to taxes (25-28% federal tax bracket, plus lost deduction/credits and extra taxes like healthcare tax that lower income families don’t have to pay, 1.45% Medicare Tax, and 6.2%Social Security tax on the first $27K over $100K, state and local income taxes). So that $100K becomes about $70K…still a nice raise! Most save for retirement somewhere from 5-10% of income --if you were just breaking even at $100K, then you might contribute even more to catch up as retirement approaches. This is technically saving, not spending, but it does remove that money from any consideration for college spend or traditional savings. If you are a tither, then another $10K would immediately go to church/synagogue/charity. Of course that extra giving to charity and saving for retirement will lower your tax burden. Worst case, you probably still have about 60% of the extra money to spend or save, but effectively your spending has already increased by $40K without changing your luxuries, house, cars, or standard of living. So the answer is that a significant portion (30-40%) of the new income is consumed for most people with no actual change to their spending habits.

Probably the next biggest expense is housing. For my family, we have relocated once “by choice” (moved to a larger home while we were living/working in the same area) and that was because we became a family of four and wanted another bedroom, so that was not necessarily income related. However, when the time came to move, we did buy a home that was more expensive than what we were living in. If I wasn’t earning more, we wouldn’t have moved…baby would have slept in a crib in our bedroom, older child in their own bedroom, and visiting inlaws would have to stay on an airbed in the family room. But since we did have extra income, the expense to have the baby in a bedroom and still have a guest room for the in-laws was worth the expense to us. Of course the federal government makes it even easier, because I can either save $720 and give $280 in taxes, or spend the whole $1000 on more expensive housing (assuming a mortgage). For others, a safer neighborhood, shorter commute, more privacy from neighbors, etc. might well drive them to choose to spend a portion of the extra money they are now making on housing. On the other side, a couple that owns there home outright, and loves their neighborhood, and no longer has kids at home may feel no reason to move, but they may spend that money on long put-off repairs, or modernizing a 30 year old kitchen, etc… The answer from my experience, therefore, is that discretionary spending on housing is very likely to increase with an increased income. And that is not necessarily an unwise choice.

Travel is another expense that often increases with income. Again, many people have wanted to see the volcanoes in Hawaii, or the Great Wall of China, or just spend a week with their kids at Disney, but have come to terms with the fact that their income won’t allow that. But when the income does allow it – when you can spend that money without relying on credit care debt or jeopardizing savings and other priorities – traveling becomes worth it to that individual because the relative costs are lowered. So for those that enjoy travelling, or want certain special experiences with their kids while they are growing up, then I think the answer is yes, discretionary spending will increase on travel.

In some cases, the increase in income itself drives expenses. You may be commuting longer distances, paying for parking, need child care, etc. A parent who used to prepare family meals from scratch and is now working to make that family income double may no longer be available to do that, and may spend more on eating out and pre-made meals. For these situations, spending will definitely

The last major discretionary expense that I will go into is near and dear to our hearts on CC: education. This could be spending on college tuition, or for a private school for younger kids, of for all the ECs – music lessons, tutoring, sports teams, etc. Again, a family that can’t afford to hire a private tutor for their child at one income level, and accepts that because they just can’t afford it, may find that spending that money to help their child succeed and improve their chances for college acceptance (and scholarships) is well worth it now that they have access to the money. Depending on the quality of their public school, or the unique needs/gifts of their child, private school may also be an expense they are glad to add when they have the extra money, and one that will pay off many times over in that child’s future. For families without children, education may not be a factor, but for those with children it may be a very unwise decision for parents to save all of this new extra income for the future and not invest any of it to help their kids out with where they are today.

Bottom line: Yes, a family making $200K will very likely spend more than a family making $100K. 25-40% of that “spending” is not really spending (taxes, retirement savings, charity). They will probably spend more on housing, travel, and education/ECs. These can easily add up to another $20-$30K year. If private school is chosen, sometimes for very good reasons, then that by itself will be $20K. The key, however, is that many of these choices may be good, responsible, choices that are not frivolous luxuries, but wise choices of where to spend their extra income on their families. They could have saved up all that money, but it could be argued that whatever they were saving it for would never be as important/impactful as the things they could spend that money on now.

All this would leave $20K-$40 left to be saved, or spent on luxuries/lifestyle, or some combination between the two. Or, as we all know, with a kid in college that amount could be spent to begin to make up the difference between what the expected family contribution was at $100K, and what it now is a $200K. That’s exactly what the EFC is designed to be…to make sure that the family making $200K makes no fewer financial sacrifices to send a child to a school as one making $100K.

There is no doubt that a family making $200K/year should be able to save significantly more money/year and/or have significantly more to spend out of pocket on college. But that number will likely be less than half of the $100K, and the majority of the change is not due to frivolous or unwise spending on the part of the earner.

@garland I thought the Quinn quote was being ironic…pointing out the foolishness of increasing your spending purely because your income increased, funny how we can read things so differently.

Nope, my wife and I saved most of our extra income and set it aside. We first paid off every debt we had and then stockpiled cash for college savings for 2 kids. We still live in the same normal nice house we bought when we first got married 20 years ago and drive the same kind of normal cars.

Most of our friends upgraded their houses, totally refurbished their homes, bought expensive cars, boats, etc.

So we ended up with a decent wad of $$ set aside for college tuition. It’s good we did that, as we do not qualify for any financial aid. It allowed us to send our son to a school he wanted to go to without financial worry, so that’s a good feeling.

Do I miss not having a big house and super nice car? Not really. It might have been nice, but it wouldn’t have changed us. Having the money for college and no debt changed us.

Saving money is ingrained in my genetic code. But I’m sure I would…and did at one time…do both. Ease up a bit on the penny pinching.

Our income took a nice leap last year when H got a new position and add not having college tuition anymore (which we paid for out of present income at the time.) and it’s a huge raise. We do spend more on things like eating out and vacations, and I’m finally remodeling both bathrooms - which I’ve waited to do for 26 years. That being said, we still save 60% of our income. I’m still driving the used car I got in 2009 and H finally got a new used car last year when he traded in his 1998 Honda. We also still live in our starter home so our mortgage is dirt cheap; and since it’s not huge we never have to downsize. Win/Win imo.