Illegal Immigrant at UCLA

<p>[For</a> an illegal immigrant, getting into UCLA was the easy part - Los Angeles Times](<a href=“http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-freshman2-2009feb02,0,2186812.story]For”>UCLA said yes. Now, the hard part.)</p>

<p>This article was on the front page of today’s LA Times. The article is obviously an appeal for people to send money to the student, since illegal immigrants are ineligible for financial aid or in-state tuition. But upon reading the article, the financial problems seem to be the least of her problems. She wasn’t exactly a stellar high school student, and she is struggling in her classes. But until recently, she was unaware of assistance offered to students like her, because she neglected to even sign in to her student email account. </p>

<p>I do wish her the best, but she has a steep road ahead of her, and her prospects of future professional employment as an illegal alien are bleak.</p>

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<p>Doesn’t surprise me, having grown up (albeit a long time ago) in that end of LA. Top 20 percentile from the high schools in that end of LA (San Pedro, Narbonne, Banning) barely prepares you for CSU. Top 5% - maybe. Her legal status is not what has held her back academically.</p>

<p>But the student also suffers a lack of cultural capital: nothing in her background indicates that she has family or peers who would have routinely been exposed to “how to do things,” from seeking assistance to figuring out the importance of a student e-mail account. </p>

<p>So many things that most students and parents on this board take for granted are things that have to be discovered and absorbed on a painfully slow basis by some students. Her illegal status is just one more weight strapped to her ankle as she runs a marathon. Can she make it? Yes. People prevail all the time. But from a probabilistic point of view, it’s odds against. I wish her well.</p>

<p>I agree that schools need to make financial resources more aware for students.
Although I was eligible for financial aid, no one ever said anything to me about it- even though I was getting social security survior benefits for attending school. HOwever, with that money, I had to pay my portion of rent and food- and the struggle was too much, I didn’t attempt to return to school for 10 years.</p>

<p>She is eligible for instate tuition-however
[CaliforniaColleges.edu</a> - Undocumented Students](<a href=“http://www.californiacolleges.edu/finance/financial-aid-faqs/undocumented-students.asp]CaliforniaColleges.edu”>http://www.californiacolleges.edu/finance/financial-aid-faqs/undocumented-students.asp)

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<p>This article was heartbreaking. I work with many charter schools and we serve this population. It is a struggle because the first thing we have to provide is support and iformation for the students and the parents. One of our goals is to make parents involved in the school and in their children educational history. The Los Angeles public school system really sucks. There are many organizations that provide support for first generation college students and the public school system should promote and use these resources that are usually not for profit groups, such as the Posse Foundation.</p>

<p>This is nothing new. This article is from 2001 when out of state tuition for illegal aliens was the norm:</p>

<p>[When</a> No Green Card Means No College - Los Angeles Times](<a href=“http://articles.latimes.com/2001/mar/24/news/mn-42044]When”>When No Green Card Means No College)</p>

<p>When No Green Card Means No College
By Jill Leovy
March 24, 2001 in print edition A-1 </p>

<p>It is law that leaves students suicidal, disbelieving, or quietly hopeless. It leaves high school teachers enraged and weeping, and drives a few to risk their careers, and even become accomplices to fraud.</p>

<p>But to its advocates, it is fair and necessary that federal law and court decisions have effectively barred most undocumented students from going to college.</p>

<p>Even defenders of the policy acknowledge that it has created one of the most wrenching and painful immigration conundrums facing the state, particularly in Los Angeles’ poorest urban high schools.</p>

<p>And in a confounding twist, some of the students barred from college are high achievers, even valedictorians.</p>

<p>Most large central Los Angeles-area schools, such as Franklin, Belmont, Garfield and Roosevelt, seem to have significant numbers of seniors who are illegal immigrants. At some point, usually late in their high school careers and often after winning acceptance to prestigious schools, students there and throughout California come to realize that the door to higher education is closed.</p>

<p>“I’ve had kids break down in my office,” said Antonio Reveles, a counselor at Bell High School. “I’ve had to sit with them for hours.”</p>

<p>Court rulings require states to offer public education to all children, regardless of their immigration status. But the legal right to attend school as other California residents do ends after 12th grade.</p>

<p>Undocumented students can apply, and be accepted, at California universities, but they are barred from receiving in-state tuition discounts or financial aid for college–the result of years of political and legal battles.</p>

<p>They must pay full out-of-state tuition, just like international students, even at community colleges.</p>

<p>UCLA should be ashamed. This young woman’s background clearly tells me she can’t succeed there without serious help. The summer program should have been mandatory and included ‘how to make this work 101’.</p>

<p>Wouldn’t it have been better for her to go to Long Beach State? A student like her needs serious support. It’s noble for UCLA to think they’re helping her, but I think this is just cruel.</p>

<p>If she knew how hard it was going to be why didn’t she go to a CC and then transfer when she was ready? She could have saved thousands of money and it would’ve been easier on her.</p>

<p>Should UCLA be the college for someone who needs remedial help? Really? This was a mistake of admissions, imo. </p>

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<p>According the article, even her friends thought she’d be better off at Cal-Long Beach, an easier commute and a more accommodating university atmosphere. </p>

<p>I support the policy that the top 4 percent of any high school should be eligible for top UCs, but when someone in the top 20 percent, not even top 10 percent, is admitted to UCLA, probably ahead of many top 4 or 5 percent students from elsewhere in CA, then I think the practice of “holistic” admission has gone awry.</p>

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Note: The UC system is planning to eliminate the SAT subject tests from their application requirements. They feel that it disqualifies many students who otherwise might be offered admissions under the holistic evaluation process. However, I am not sure if this particular student would even qualify under the proposed new requirements. </p>

<p>[UC</a> regents to vote on admission standards](<a href=“http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/feb/01/1n1uc233145-uc-regents-vote-admission-standards/?zIndex=46282]UC”>http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/feb/01/1n1uc233145-uc-regents-vote-admission-standards/?zIndex=46282)</p>

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<p>I really hope hmom is being sarcastic - college is not the place for hand-holding. If you think that it should be, then there are some private colleges that will be very happy to accommodate you. But at UCLA, you have to seek out help if you want it (and there is obviously plenty available). No one is going to keep track of how you’re doing and “mandate” help. Its up to you.</p>

<p>Was not being sarcastic at all.</p>

<p>Many colleges take kids a lot like this one. There was clearly something they saw. But other colleges have well executed programs to support such admits. What could they possibly be thinking to accept kids like this and throw them in the fire? Sophisticated kids with knowledgeable parents have trouble navigating these huge, every man for himself schools.</p>

<p>How do we create social mobility unless we’re willing to do a little hand holding?</p>

<p>While this student’s stats were clearly way below the norm for UCLA with the implication that she’ll have to study harder than the average student and then likely end up below average even for what is arguably one of the easier majors, and I have no idea why UCLA accepted her and it could be argued they didn’t do her any favors by doing so, suprisingly her grades aren’t that bad! So she has B- average - that’s not the end of the world and for someone with her background I’d say she’s doing quite well and should be proud of how she performed.</p>

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It seems that this would have occurred to her before she actually started at UCLA. It brings up another point as well about what the illegal parents end up putting their kids through. It’s unfortunate they don’t think this through before they decide to come here illegally.</p>

<p>The mother clearly didn’t want the kid to attend college. I wonder in this case what that motivation was on the part of the parent -

  • the parent wanted the income from the kid working a full time job instead?
  • the parent was concerned that the kid might be caught as an illegal and therefore they themselves might be caught and sent back to Mexico?
  • the parent doesn’t think her daughter should be educated?</p>

<p>This student should do some research into what it takes to become a legal citizen for her at this point. Alternatively, she should find out what opportunities there are for a UCLA degreed grad in Mexico (it might be pretty good).</p>

<p>If the student in the article continues to find the logistics and academic difficulty of attending UCLA too great I’d expect she has a fair chance of transferring to a CalState closer to home which would be less expensive as well. But she actually seems to be doing reasonably okay so far!</p>

<p>The admissions people don’t say “hey lets admit this person, but they really can’t handle it so lets make them do some remedial stuff first” - they evaluate and determine if a student has shown preparedness to handle the rigors of the school to which they are applying. Obviously, that system broke down in this case. </p>

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<p>What do you think would have happened if she went straight into the workforce? Some organization would recognize her lack of preparation and would have mandated a “real world 101” course? </p>

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<p>Crap - I was a good student from a good high school. I had no problems whatsoever getting through UCLA by myself. And I’m naturally a very independent person - never asked my parents for advice or help. No problems.</p>

<p>Again - the help is there, and these groups that exist at UCLA to help people like this student (AAP - Academic Advancement Program) are EXTREMELY visible on campus. They come to lectures and tell people about tutoring - they have big posters up on Bruin Walk - they have websites - they are well known on campus and TA’s and professors recommend them for extra help - they have review sessions for the big classes. </p>

<p>All of this is well known. But again, no one seeks you out and says “you must do this”.</p>

<p>Why is it costing her $17k? Tuition is about $8k, books about $1500 max, she is living at home, so busing & eating are probably able to be covered by her part time income.</p>

<p>Is $17k the COA for kids living at home?</p>

<p>I do feel badly for her, but it sounds like she is really not prepared for that level of educational workload and the underlying assumptions of competence. If they are going to admit marginal students, it would make sense to have a support system.</p>

<p>Personally I don’t think the UCs should be admitting people i need of remediation, admit them conditionally based on completing the remediation at a CC.</p>

<p>I have kids who were very very prepared for the UCs level of difficulty and who had excellent HS work habits and who had support, they still had to work diligently to experience success.</p>

<p>ON the illegal thing, I do feel sorry for the kids in that catch 22, but I also know that I lived in another country for several years and if my kids wanted to go to university there with their friends, they would have paid international fees and been admitted based on international standards. My kid looking at potential PhDs abroad (due to advanced research ops in her area) would have to pay full fees plus international fees, whereas those kids coming to the US would have a funded PhD.</p>

<p>And kids from the country where I lived have come to amazing schools (Ivies & LACs) in the states and received financial aid based on merit and/or need, but my kids could not receive any undergrad aid in that country.</p>

<p>So, whilst we look at the sad situation of illegals here, we should also realise schools in the US bend over backwards to share the educational opportunities with kids from other countries. Those other countries do not act at all interested in encouraging the cultural exchange coming their way!</p>

<p>^^ UG tuition and fees, including the health insurance unless waived (being illegal she probably can’t waive it) at UCLA is $8309.88 (doesn’t include housing/meals). This student will have some extara costs in transportation. I don’t know where the reporter for this article got the values from. Sometimes college websites include incidentals including meals at home in the COA calc for commuters.</p>

<p>This young lady is not a CA resident since she is neither a citizen nor a green card holder. Does the UC system charge non-residents a higher tuition and fees? Our WA schools do.</p>

<p>^^negative. If she graduates from a California HS that she attended for three+ years, she automatically recieves instate tuition priveleges.</p>