<p>I have. Not with the kids in this article, but with another kid who was an illegal immigrant and had been admitted to UCLA and Cal States back in the days when noncitizens were charged OOS rates. </p>
<p>The student we helped is now a citizen and a teacher who thanks us regularly for what we did to help her. </p>
<p>I really do think UCLA messed up with this particular admit from the original article. The student would have been far better off at a Cal State close to home. I wish someone would counsel her that she would be better off applying for a transfer to CSULB.</p>
<p>I was not only concerned about FA but also that she is paying in-state tuition which is wrong. She should be paying OOS tuition. My tax dollars are subsidizing the $8000 in-state tuition. The tab should be $37000 for illegals and international students equivalent to a private university. </p>
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<p>She would be more productive over whom the legal citizen of these country. So you are stating that the legal citizens of US are not productive.</p>
<p>keihanna : Best wishes to your D for success in life.
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<p>This is what wrong with UCs and california as whole and Dems. who for vote bank pass laws that hurts the legal law abiding citizens of this great country.
The tuition rates for illegals and admission criteria for illegals should be same as that of international students and once accepted should be given F-1 visa. This will solve all the problems.
Deserving illegal students who can contribute productive will get a legal way to work.
UC gets more money.
Illegal students don’t take up spots from in-state legal citizens.</p>
<p>keihanna, I think you are correct. Something is wrong with this picture. It’s ridiculous that UCLA would admit this student and deny your D.</p>
<p>It seems to me that UCLA did this student no favors by admitting her. She would have been much better off at the other school to which she was admitted, benefiting from the support program aimed at students like her. (And, I gather, paying less tuition and having a more realistic commute.)</p>
<p>Bay, she financed that student because she knew that subject would come up on CC. Alas, it did. </p>
<p>keihanna, I’m sorry. If it makes you feel any better, one of the valedictorians my year was rejected from UCLA. She had 2040 SAT I. She’s going to Davis now. Not that with her stats she was a shoo-in, but they picked this girl over these rejectees for the sake of diversity. No excuse.</p>
<p>Oh for goodness sakes, Bay. Many people I know finance the education of an illegal immigrant. Here in NY, many who can afford it have helped their household workers’ kids with educational costs and opportunities. The woman who works for me once a week is legal, but there are many like her who are not. In time, you do develop a friendship/kinship with someone who is in your home, and often want to help their children whether they are in the country legally or not.</p>
<p>^ Someone’s been watching The Visitor.
Most of the time, Mr. and Mrs. do not develop a friendship/kinship with the help. They have a word for that sudden act of altruism: guilt.</p>
<p>As has been said by many posters, including myself, the LAW in California allows kids who are similarly situated to the girl in the OP’s post to pay in state tuition. Not only is that the law but it makes sense. The girl has basically lived her entire life in this country and this state, she had no say as a 4 year old whether she wanted to come here, illegally or otherwise. If you want to “punish” someone, blame her mom. Deport her mom if that makes you feel better. But, to take it out on her defies reason. Imagine the effort she has made to get where she has gotten in life. Clearly, the folks at UCLA saw something remarkable in her to offer her a spot at their school. They should be commended! This world will only be a better place with people like this young lady achieving her potential and becoming a productive member of society.</p>
<p>I’m guessing based on your name “ParentofIvyHope” you’ve given your kids lots of guidance throughout school to get them where you hope they will be going in life. Now contrast that with the guidance this young lady has had. Ask yourself, would your kids be where they are today if they had the identical upbringing as she’s had? I thought so . . .</p>
<p>I have a feeling that ParentofIvy would not have chosen to put her child in such a predicament in the first place. ParentofIvy did not choose to break the law by entering this country illegally. ParentofIvy did not choose to break the law by bringing her children into the country illegally. If you want to place blame, place it on the illegal immigrant parents. They chose to break the law by not only putting themselves in this position, but also by putting their children in this position. </p>
<p>Re: UCLA—How can they justify rejecting legal US Citizens with significantly stronger academic qualifications while accepting illegal immigrants at the remedial academic level</p>
<p>Hold on. Acceptance isn’t the problem here, is it? just the fin. aid…?</p>
<p>I knew of an “illegal” student who attended school in the US just like everybody else, and then he simply applied as an international (and even got fin.aid as an international, I think)</p>
<p>Let’s stipulate that both the illegal immigrant and the US citizen are needy, shall we? </p>
<p>This was quite awhile ago, long before CC, long before The Visitor (I found myself annoyed by the film’s insistence on hitting me over the head with its message). We were made aware of the situation by a friend. If our friend had brought a legal US citizen in similar circumstances to our attention, we would have helped that kid. Luck of the draw. For those of you familiar with the story about the guy walking along the beach and throwing back in some starfish, we saved the starfish in front of us. </p>
<p>The spouse and I donate to our undergrad institutions, so one could say that we’re also helping to finance the education of needy US citizens as well.</p>
<p>I can’t undermine my D’s effort just because I was able to provide her the guidance or the resources. There are tons in the same situation as my D and not every one is going to get into the top schools either.</p>
<p>So you cannot just say that my D won’t be here if she doesn’t have the resources. But that doesn’t mean that this girl deserve more oppertunities than a legal citizen. </p>
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<p>The question is not who should be punished and why you call it punishment. There are millions of children who might be more intelligent, and might be more productive in future than this girl living under poverty in many parts of this world. That doesn’t mean you give legal citizen seats to accomodate those children.</p>
<p>She should come into UCs the proper way. The law that provide her acceptance is wrong. She should be considered an international student and should be given admissions according to that standard. If she gets in she should be given a F-1 visa.</p>
<p>But why punish some legal citizen parent children who have paid their taxes and worked towards the betterment of this country to accomodate some parents children who broke the law to be here to begin with.</p>
<p>Although they might be illegal sometimes they do help the community and economy. They take the jobs that very very few other people will take and they provide a cheap source of labor to companies. </p>
<p>With that being said however, they should have to pay international rates for tuition and should certainly not be considered above other students.</p>
Bay:
I was speaking only to her apparent academic success so far at UCLA. I wasn’t speaking to the illegal immigration issue.</p>
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keihanna:
It sure seems that your D should have made it into UCLA - especially before the girl in the article was accepted. I don’t know how the adcoms make their choices but they definitely don’t take a strict ‘top down’ (stats-wise) approach. Maybe they try for certain numbers of admits from certain strata of qualifications. It might not comfort your D but her stats were above those of plenty of people who were accepted so it’s not like your D didn’t have what it takes. Also, the UCs award extra ‘points’ for those who have parents who didn’t go to college, points for those in a single parent household, points for being low income, etc. which I’m sure boosted the girl in the article.</p>
Recent events have shown that there are pretty much no jobs Americans won’t do, and it’s the second part of your statement that explains why illegal immigrants push legal workers out of jobs.</p>
<p>Again, this woman currently has a -0- percent chance of legally getting a job anywhere in the U.S. when she graduates. Admitting her to UCLA will not make her “a productive member of society,” at least not American society. While it is not her fault that she is in her position, it is neither the fault nor responsibility of the California taxpayer to make it right for her. It is the fault of the pathetic Mexican government and her mother who brought her here. The entire scenario demonstrates the farce of our immigration laws.</p>
<p>As far as I am aware, California is not in need of additional psychology majors, especially unemployable ones. The best solution would be to call on donors such as Slithey Tove and cptofthehouse’s friends, and send these kids to college in Mexico. With their K-12 education, good health and work experience, all compliments of the U.S., perhaps they can make a change in their country of citizenship, which happens to have the 14th largest economy in the world.</p>