<p>barrons:</p>
<p>what do YOU think of the “report” your shared? do you think it was accurate? well researched? peer reviewed?</p>
<p>did you check out the Institute that produced the report?</p>
<p>And barrons–what is your point here? Europeans introduced smallpox and measles to the Americas.</p>
<p>Noun 1. corporatism - control of a state or organization by large interest groups; “individualism is in danger of being swamped by a kind of corporatism”</p>
<p>namely corporations running things</p>
<p>Now that, SamK, sounds like an excellent plan. I would support that.</p>
<p>HGFM,</p>
<p>I believe that’s essentially the plan that GWB could not push through congress this year.</p>
<p>And I say this as I hold my nose because I absolutely cannot stand GWB.</p>
<p>We work in an increasingly global and competitive environment.</p>
<p>Salaries of doctors and engineers used to be high because very few were qualified to do the job. With globalization, education standards have increased, and the global market is being flooded with talent from other countries, willing to do the job for a lower price…so, in the long run, real wages, for even skilled labor, are driven downward.</p>
<p>Agreed, UCLAri and UCB.</p>
<p>In its most naked economic terms, the solution to illegal immigration is to issue a work certificate at the border to all those who want to come in. Voila! no more illegal immigrants!</p>
<p>On the other hand, it is in the self-interest of US citizens (like CGM) to resist this economic force for as long as possible, by providing dis-incentives to economic immigration from Latin America. (e.g. by charging a large amount of money for a work certificate at the border.)</p>
<p>While it is true that in the long run economics will win, it is also true that in the long run we will all be dead. It is the politician’s job to manage this change so economics takes its course while allowing the citizenry to adapt. The accelerating process of globalization is catching more and more of us citizens unprepared.</p>
<p>Gordon Hansen here at UCSD wrote what I thought was an excellent article on what is needed.</p>
<p><a href=“http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB118360058291357767-lMyQjAxMDE3ODAzNTYwMDUwWj.html[/url]”>http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB118360058291357767-lMyQjAxMDE3ODAzNTYwMDUwWj.html</a></p>
<p>" Agree, economics is the driving force. As long as higher wages will be earned in the US, a strong incentive exists for others to migrate."</p>
<p>Actually, wages were much higher in the U.S. than in Central America, and there was rather little (relatively) in the way of illegal immigration. What brought illegal immigration on a mass scale was Al Gore and neoliberalism, “free trade”, NAFTA economics which kicked millions of people off their land with no place to go. What had been a trickle, despite the differential in wages, became a tidal wave beginning in 1996-1997.</p>
<p>Differential in wages might be strong incentives, but clearly not strong enough. There needed to be a “disaster shock” to send millions of people fleeing their homes and toward U.S. borders.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.amazon.com/Shock-Doctrine-Rise-Disaster-Capitalism/dp/0805079831/ref=pd_bbs_2/102-0886285-7575365?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1193698802&sr=8-2[/url]”>http://www.amazon.com/Shock-Doctrine-Rise-Disaster-Capitalism/dp/0805079831/ref=pd_bbs_2/102-0886285-7575365?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1193698802&sr=8-2</a></p>
<p>There is nothing “free” about the “free market”. It’s just a bunch of corporate socialists at work, doing what they do well, managing governmental policy for their own interests.</p>
<p>While I do not agree with Kluge’s assessment of her as she has done some apparently good work in profiling and researching serial murderers, etc, her statistics seem shaky in extrapolating a population number using just criminals. That said there has been a rise in crime directly attributed to the growth of the illegal population as many tend to be young men who also tend to become your most active criminals.</p>
<p>Sometimes I just post randon interesting things I see just to start a discussion of an issue. Does not mean I always agree with the position or theory. Even if she is off by a factor of 10 that’s still a lot of crimes and I have seen several such cases reported in the local press here and In Madison. </p>
<p>So what to do. I liked the compromise plan that died this year. Let those here become legal over time. It’s the only realistice way. Try to do better at controls in the future.</p>
<p>barrons–</p>
<p>Posting things you don’t agree with in order to get a rise out of other people is called ■■■■■■■■. You do it very well.</p>
<p>I have wasted enough time on this thread, I think.</p>
<p>Barrons: “Dr.” Schulman-Kauflin is a fraud, plain and simple. Her “profiling” is a joke. Her “statistics” are pulled out of her… thin air. Here’s a tip: anything which originates or is reported in a story in the “World Net Daily” is phony. It’s kind of the online version of the Weekly World News - only funded by right wing extremists (The Mellon-Scaife Foundations.) Here’s another tip: If you try the “debt elimination” scams advertised on World Net Daily you will either go broke or to jail.</p>
<p>The “Conservative T-Shirts” are probably safe, though.</p>
<p>i have seen several such cases as well, by good ole boys born in the US of A,…imagine that</p>
<p>Kluge; you are the one that needs to get your head out of the sand. 1st; if you read what I WROTE and not what you tend to do and read what you WANT it to say; you would see that the first sentence I wrote said to indeed SLAM the employers hiring the illegals. That however isn’t going to fix ALL the problems. That will help, but in turn it will raise the amount they pay people to do the work who are here legally, and the illegals will find that or other work, but now they will be getting paid MORE to do it. So yes, indeed slam the employers, but that isn’t going to fix it.</p>
<p>Then of course there are statements from CGM and others who think we are being so insensitive because we don’t believe that illegal aliens/immigrants should have any rights. The rights I referred to; again what I said and not what you WANT it to mean, are legal rights. I even mentioned their current ability to sue people and so on. If a person is injured, that has nothing to do with legal rights. They should be given medical attention. If not, they could die. So, maybe instead of using the word EXECUTION, because you have no idea of the English language and using contextual clues, I will change it to CAUSING DEATH AT THE HANDS OF SOMEONE ELSE. Which includes for all you liberals in Rio Linda; Denying medical attention. But, as soon as they have been given medical attention, you ship their sorry butts out of the country. That is the extent of their rights. And yes Kluge, you also go after the employers. But if by chance, you don’t get all the employers, and an illegal is working for them in slave labor with very low pay and no benefits, too damn bad. Go back across the border!!! It’s obviously worse there or they wouldn’t be here.</p>
<p>Yes they ARE ILLEGALS. You want to compare that to a sub-human; go for it. They should NOT, under any circumstances have the same rights, privileges, benefits, luxuries, etc.,… that legal citizens of this country have. I would do everything imaginable to make their stay here miserable. I would spend more money on stopping stupid laws where you can’t ask a person if they are an illegal immigrant. When a person wants some sort of service in this country; e.g. medical, education, etc… you ask them for their driver’s license, SSN, or some other proof of who they are. If my chance they have an accent and don’t have proof of who they are, you can’t ask them if they are a resident. That is B.S. </p>
<p>Believe what you want, but the number one responsibility of our country is to it’s people, legal immigrants, etc… We need to make the illegals feel NOT WANTED, make life miserable for them here, and make them want to go back. But don’t worry all you sympathetic and caring people. That will never get done. Why? Because the government won’t let it. The politicians don’t want to p*ss off certain demographics and take a chance of not getting reelected. Don’t worry. This debate is all for nothing. What needs to be done about illegal aliens and security won’t happen therefor your way of believing will live on.</p>
<p>they are not illegals, they are human beings, and btw, I do understand the english language, and I understood what you meant by execution, as for contexual clues, that is almost laughable</p>
<p>for someone who uses the word Christ in their name, bet He would be proud that you would make others miserable- a true Christian would NOT want to cause misery for another soul, and he didn’t much care for some of the laws of his time</p>
<p>ps- do some research why don’t you on Jesus Christ, he was about as caring and loving as they come, taking care of the downtrodden, the poor, the needy, and he didn’t give one whoot if they were “illegals” at all- wasn’t that the POINT of his teachings?</p>
<p>and to condone slavery, mymymy</p>
<p>Christcorp,</p>
<p>Are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that we forcefully remove 12 MILLION people from our country? Should we confiscate their property? How about removing their jewelry, and their gold teeth while we’re at it? (seeing as they have no rights…)</p>
<p>The last time such massive project was attempted was during WWII. For many months under the most strict of police state conditions all around Europe Jews, Gypsies and other undesirables were round up and driven away in trains. Let’s forget for a minute what their final destination was, and tell me if this is the kind of ethnic cleansing you would like to see happen in America.</p>
<p>Besides the suspect morality of your position, and your realization that it is politically impossible, it is also totally impractical.</p>
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So… that “Christ” is “Christcorp” really isn’t referring to that “Jesus” guy, then, I take it?</p>
<p>For you ■■■■■■■■, for me interesting debate. I had no real idea who the author was or her politics. Now there are some interesting facts and lots of discussion. There certainly is a well documented problem with illegals and crime in border states. Whether it is in the area of sex crimes seems debatable. If I knew all the answers I would have better things to do.</p>
<p>Now here are some numbers on general criminal activity by illegals in the City Journal which I do not think is a nutcase publication.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html[/url]”>http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html</a></p>
<p><a href=“http://www.city-journal.org/html/about_cj.html[/url]”>http://www.city-journal.org/html/about_cj.html</a></p>
<p>We can’t be expected to live like He did. Not only was it a different time (there was no such thing as “illegal immigration” then), but the laws were completely different.</p>
<p>I respectfullu disagree
Ethics and morality are not dependent on what is “legal”
Its also a lot easier to got to sleep at night if you don’t let some politicians idea of the “right thing” dictate how you live your life.</p>