<p>Basically, students need to stop their complaining.</p>
<p>Seriously, these kids have more money than 99 percent of the world’s population, and all they can do is complain that they have homework and to do college apps. Someone needs to remind them that 60 percent of the world’s population live below the poverty line.</p>
<p>The fight to get into the best colleges is a war zone. If you want that Harvard (or any top school like Vanderbilt, Tulane Honors Program) degree, work hard and get it. When you have it, you’ll probably be able to get almost whatever job you want. Yes, some people are geniuses naturally and won’t have to work as hard to get in, but that’s no excuse. Stop making excuses, work hard, and get the Ivy League education. If you go to a bad school like Rutgers or Texas A and M, you might still get a good job, but if you are competing against another Ivy League graduate for it, you probably won’t get it; employers want workers who went to top schools because they know they are top-notch. People who keep trying to make themselves feel better by saying that graduates of bad colleges like University of Maryland have just as good a chance of being successful as Northwestern graduates are just deluding themselves. Sure maybe once in a blue moon someone who went to a bad college might be successful, but the bottom line is that where you go college is the most important thing on a prospective worker’s resume.</p>
<p>If you can’t handle the stress of college admissions, you probably wouldn’t be able to handle Bown or Yale, so it’s best to move out of the way. This may sound harsh, but that’s life. Kids are too spoiled now adays, it’s sickening.</p>
<p>So your saying going to a non-Ivy League schools is bad. You have to consider that some of the most hardworking students cannot afford an Ivy League education. Just going to an Ivy League is not going to make your life. Being a hard worker in whatever institution you are in will get you the job. Ivy Leagues students are successful because they work hard, not because they are in the Ivy League.</p>
<p>for what it’s worth, I’ll talk about what teachers are like at my high school.</p>
<p>The best teachers are from schools like the University Of Kansas and Villanova. The worst teachers are from top schools like Brown since they assume that everyone is just as smart as them. This is coming from someone at a top 100 high school in the US</p>
<p>Yes, a Princeton degree won’t guarantee you a job of your choice, but your chance of obtaining your desired position is probably 8 times greater than for someone with an LSU degree.</p>
<p>Look, I realize that some smart people go to subpar schools on merit scholarships, but these people are usually students who were rejected by top-tier schools and had to go their safety. Either that, or they’re too poor to afford top-tier colleges, which is very regrettable and sad, but many top schools are trying to help them out by giving out generous financial aid.</p>
<p>That’s why I support Barack Obama’s plan to make college affordable for everyone. Then poor people won’t be able to make the excuse of having to go to a supbar institution because they can’t afford it. Everyone will be on a level playing field.</p>
<p>“Ivy Leagues students are successful because they work hard, not because they are in the Ivy League.”</p>
<p>That’s not true. A lot of Ivy Leaguers only got inbecause they were blacks, athletes, Native American descendants, Mexicans, or legacies.</p>
<p>But they still reap the benefits.</p>
<p>it also depends on your field. For example, an engineering major is much better off at Purdue than Dartmouth or a business major is much better off at a school like NYU than Dartmouth</p>
<p>That is true as well.</p>
<p>The better your school is for your study, the more likely you are to be successful.</p>
<p>A Harvard Law School graduate is going to get way more job offers than from a University of Houston Law School graduate.</p>
<p>It’s also true that where you go to grad school matters more than where you went to undergrad, but where you went to undergrad is still extremely important.</p>
<p>If an employer is looking at 2 Havard law grads and 1 went to Northwestern for undergrad, and another went to community college for undergrad, he’s probably going to choose the Northwestern person.</p>
<p>That may not be fair all the time, but that is life.</p>
<p>I completely agree with Pierre. I had the same experience at a top prep school. Also, in regards to theendusputrid comment, however unjust it may be, it is ultimately the decision of the admissions officers to admit URM’s. These are obviously individuals who excel within their own race, and throughout history have been ill treated by the government and society. Also, the most common misconception is that going to an Ivy-League school will get you the job you want. That is not true. Getting a “C” at Princeton does not equate to an “A” at Penn State. Corporations are not stupid, they will look for the most qualified applicant, not the one with the most prestigious degree. I do not like how you call non-Ivy League schools “bad”, ultimately, statiscs have shown that Ivy-League undergraduates make a similar amount of money as their non-Ivy League counterparts.</p>
<p>im never getting into harvard because im not naturally smart and im a sophmore who got a 3.8 first semester. in alg 2.
goodness.
!!!</p>
<p>“blacks throughout history have been ill treated by the government and society”</p>
<p>Yeah? So have Jews. 4000 years of persecution. How come they don’t get any admissions advantage?</p>
<p>So have the Puritans, atheists, and nonChristians. How come they don’t get any admissions advantage?</p>
<p>I think the example wit Jews is best. Jews have been persecuted justas much, actually more, than blacks and for a longer period of time. </p>
<p>That’s not fair that Indians, blacks, and Mexicans geta leg up but Jews and Purtians don’t.
So have atheists and non-Christians.</p>
<p>"Getting a “C” at Princeton does not equate to an “A” at Penn State. Corporations are not stupid, they will look for the most qualified applicant, not the one with the most prestigious degree. "</p>
<p>That’s the way it would work if everything in society were completely fair, but society is not completely fair. Employers like top school graduates because they are top-notch and have gone through a highly selective process, not to mention hae had the best educations.</p>
<p>“I do not like how you call non-Ivy League schools “bad”, ultimately, statiscs have shown that Ivy-League undergraduates make a similar amount of money as their non-Ivy League counterparts.”</p>
<p>Sorry, bad word choice, they’re not “bad,” they’re just not nearly as good as other schools.</p>
<p>Yes, you are absolutely right. But look at them now, do they really need a leg up in admissions? No, there are many wealthy Jews, Atheists,Puritans, and Non-Christians, who are finely settled in society. There are still many African-Americans, Latinos, and Native Americans who are living in lower-class society. Colleges are fulfilling a moral responsibility, and giving these individuals a chance to move up in society.</p>
<p>This is the stupidest thread I have ever read.</p>
<p>Ivy League is nothing but an athletic conference. Getting in means nothing. Employers do not really care whether you got your undergrad degree from Iowa or Columbia. And there are many better schools then Ivy League. Stanford, MIT, Caltech, Amherst, Williams, Reed, Middlebury, Bowdoin, Northwestern, WashU, Michigan, Berkely, UofV, UNC, Grinnell, Carleton, UChicago to name a few.</p>
<p>I hope you know that the most successful CEO’s hardly ever have an Ivy League education. It’s not the person with the most prestigious education in the end, it’s the person that has made the most of it.</p>
<p>I know that.</p>
<p>That’s why I specifically said </p>
<p>“If you want that Harvard (or any top school like Vanderbilt, Tulane Honors Program) degree,”</p>
<p>As long as you go to a top college, you’ll probabl be okay.</p>
<p>or a schoool that is especially good in your major.</p>
<p>"No, there are many wealthy Jews, Atheists,Puritans, and Non-Christians, who are finely settled in society. "</p>
<p>There are also many poor Jews, Atheists, Puritans, and Nonchristians.</p>
<p>“There are still many African-Americans, Latinos, and Native Americans who are living in lower-class society.”</p>
<p>There also many rich blacks, latino, and Native Americans.</p>
<p>Seriously, I know so many blacks and hispanics that have parents that make 800,000 dollars a year, they can afford all the top tutors and test prep books, yet they still benefit from affirmative action.</p>
<p>They don’t need any leg up, they don’t deserve any leg up.</p>
<p>Poor people probably should get a leg up because they don’t have as many opportunitie as rich people.</p>
<p>It’s such pereverted logic, just because a lot of poor people are black, we should give a huge admissions boost to every single black.</p>
<p>I agree with smallcolleges, the whole ivy league thing is stupid, it’s just an athletic conference, because of the ivy’s schools like Washington University In St. Louis get passed over</p>
<p>Okay dude. out with it… your white and got rejected from your dream school and your bitter… its okay theres losers like you across the country.</p>
<p>no i got into my dream school.</p>
<p>I feel sorry for my friends who got rejected by their dream schools in favor of some black kids and legacies who didn’t deserve it.</p>