<p>A few senators are going to decide for all us citizens whether we would allowed 12 million illegals path to eventual citizenship ( also chained in fathers,mothers and children ) ?</p>
<p>Can anyone tell me why this isn’t a ballot issue ? Why don’t we vote for it ?</p>
<p>Do you want US to become a hispanic country ?</p>
<p>Why a few senators whom I did not vote for decide for me – get to decide for me on sessation of southwestern united states to Mexico ?</p>
<p>There’s already a thread for this issue, yourworld. You pose questions a lot of people would like answered. Why not join us in the already ongoing discussion?</p>
<p>We have a “representative democracy”. You can find books on the system of government in the United States at your local library or, better yet, sign up for the “Intro to American Politics” course at your local community college.</p>
<p>Dear parents and students, thank you for your replies. No I think this is a new thread that deserves its own weight because it brought up new angle no one has touches on before:</p>
<p>Why is it a few senators negotiating behind closed doors ( ok public debate if you turned on CSPAN ) get to decide what ends up as sessation of southwestern united states to Mexico and whether we want the US to become at least a half hispanic country ?</p>
<p>The other thread deals with the merit of that proposal so it has its own thread.</p>
<p>I am questioning:</p>
<p>*1 There is no public declaration or statement about this important bill
*2 You only get snipit of info from news reporting
*3 Number 1 and 2 are stupid ways of dealing with important national issues
*4 How come there is no outcry this isn’t a national ballot issue ?
reading intro to am gov will not help, not at this point
*5 Given no one has brought up #4, we should look at fundamental govt issue like what should require a national vote and make amendments
*6 If no one stands up strong enough to question #1-#5, then we are sheeps living in a dictatorship and not a true democracy.</p>
<p>I confess, I haven’t read the entire immigration bill yet; however, I have followed the basic outline of the provisions. I’ve yet to hear about a sessession provision from any of the news sources I follow (NYTIMES, Wash Post, C-SPAN, AP newswire, Politico, Real Clear Politics, Instapundit, Daily Kos, FOX/CNN/MSNBC/PBS, etc.)</p>
<p>BTW, the reasons that we don’t have a direct democracy (town hall meetings or referendum on every issue) were that the founding fathers viewed that as:</p>
<p>a) unworkable given the size of the country</p>
<p>b) undesireable in protecting the interests of regions with very different populations and issues. Our government has always been a hard-fought compromise between states with very different points of view. The representative form of government was designed to give adequate representation to lower population, more rural regions of the country – originally in the South, but more recently in the West as the frontiers of the country expanded.</p>
<p>c) unworkable because the founding fathers simply didn’t trust turning over government to the emphemeral whims of the average uninformed voter. The system of government is designed to provide multiple layers of deliberation and resistance to knee jerk change. For example, the Senate is designed to have more intertia against change than the House of Representatives, etc. </p>
<p>The voice of the people is expressed in regular elections. Expressing dissatisfaction commonly takes the form of “throwing the bums out”, as we saw nationally in the 2006 mid-term elections. As for your obvious concern about Hispanic people in the the United States, you have many options to vote for candidates who share your views, including a number of Presidential candidates. Research the candidates in your local, state, and national elections and support those who share your views.</p>
<p>Sessation of southwestern united states to Mexico.</p>
<p>No it isn’t in print but will become fact in a couple of generations. Los Angeles city proper is de facto Mexico City El Norte. Open your eyes to reality.</p>
<p>If you are a patriot, you really need to see 10,20 years down the line to see where this Bill will take us as a country.</p>
<p>Back on track about the main point of this thread. Why isnt this a national voter issue ?</p>
<p>There is a blind tendency for most of us to hold our founding fathers’s decreed to be absolute truths. Yes, much of what makes America America is found in the constitution. And how great it has been, but we are >200 years away from the declaration of independence and what the founding fathers held to be true may not work today. I am saying we should actively debate this important issue - the literal sessation of southwestern united states to Mexico. Put it in the national ballot. No behind senate caucus room negotiations we know nothing about.</p>
<p>conyat:
what my belief about US becoming a hispanic country is unimportant. What is important is how ALL OF US feel about this. So we must put it in the national ballot.</p>
<p>Yourworld, so in other words, if you don’t get the outcome you want from our system of government on even a single issue, you’re ready to abandon or overthrow it. That’s exactly why we have a representative democracy in this country and a system of laws. To ensure that the American way of life is preserved even as hot button issues come and go.</p>
<p>Well, I was feeling pretty dumb since I was apparently the only one here who didn’t know what “sessation” meant. But according to the hits I got on Google, it’s something to do with stopping smoking. Cigarette totin’ latinos? I’m confused. Anyone here want to help me out?</p>
<p>The other thing is that if most people were as opposed and aghast about the bill as the OP, all they’d have to do is pressure their state legislatures to convene a Constitutional Convention and propose some kind of amendment giving OP everything he wants in terms of racial purity in the US. </p>
<p>It’s not only Congress that can propose amendments, though it’s mainly only Congress that ever does.</p>
<p>There’s plenty of debate on this issue. Several of the Republican candidates for President took rather strong anti-Hispanic positions in the South Carolina debate last week. I’m sure that you can find an anti-Hispanic candidate to support. Volunteer for one of their campaigns.</p>
<p>Kludge, the word should be “secession” ie, the withdrawl of 11 southern states from the Union in 1860. Sorry for bad spelling.</p>
<p>What I find offensive about hispanics ? WRONG QUESTION!</p>
<p>Don’t put words I didnt say.</p>
<p>Hispanics are some of the hardest,brightest,most resouceful people on earth.
Most have strong morals. I am proud to have hispanic friends.</p>
<p>This is not relevant. I wont fall for that trick. For example you might say also
Japanese are some of the politest,hardest working people on earth too. Are we going to admit 12 million Japanese for the same reason? How about Koreans?</p>