<p>“One of the great ironies here is that a Democrat Party front group - mediamatters - helped kill off someone who was very important to Democrat politicians.”</p>
<p>Tell that to Hillary Clinton, who Imus loathed beyond all reason. He regularly shredded her on the air, and in the most unflattering terms possible. How that would help a front-running Democratic presidential candidate is beyond me.</p>
<p>…But, Hillary is using this “tragic” incident in NJ to get some great press. In fact, she is meeting with the poor victims tomorrow. So maybe the last laugh is on Imus in her eyes. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>Hereshoping, here’s what Whitlock said about the Rutgers women’s press conference. </p>
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<p>The name-calling of these fine women is really disheartening.</p>
<p>Since I answered your question, you answer mine please.</p>
<p>You’ve posted repeatedly that you know who is “really responsible” for the harm done the Rutgers women. Needless to say, the Rutgers women say otherwise about who caused their distress and who they thank for helping them. </p>
<p>What is it about them that makes them so inferior to you, that you’re a better judge of this than they are?</p>
<p>And please explain what makes Imus so inherently superior that he’s not responsible for the easily foreseeable consequences of his actions.</p>
<p>Hindoo, apparently Imus’ “loose cannon” style was not to be tolerated when it came to Hillary. Sharpton is a Hillary–not Obama–supporter, btw. There could be a connection here as to why the Rutgers team slur was noy just one more Media Matters reporting incident, and Imus was so quickly dismissed. Hillary has sure jumped in fast enough.</p>
<p>About Hillary, Imus was correct. We can give him credit for that, at least. :)</p>
<p>Imus got dismissed because he added fuel to the fire by going on another radio show to get publicity over it, and there saying hostile things like: “I can’t win with you people.”</p>
<p>That, and he made the mistake of picking on a winning sports team. That isn’t acceptable in our culture. All the racist, anti-Semetic and misogynist remarks he got a free pass for over the years, but not that.</p>
<p>But pray, do tell, what is it about the Rutgers women that makes you have such a low opinion of their ability to assess what happened to them?</p>
<p>Whitlock is not saying the GIRLS on the team set up the press conference, and are therefore opportunistic and intellectually dishonest.</p>
<p>You have distorted what he said, in an attempt to make it seem as if he was, as I suspected. (What else is new.)</p>
<p>Or maybe you just need a critical reading refresher course, though judging by your typical MO, I don’t think that’s the problem.</p>
<p>As to the implications in your last question, it sickens me that a poster would make those implications towards me (in addition to your other implications), which is why I’m through with this discussion.</p>
<p>He’s talking about the press conference and what was SAID during the press conference, ex: about the season being ruined. You’re distorting.</p>
<p>But even given your bizzare interpretation, that he’s only criticizing their beloved coach with these pejoritive names, what’s your view of the Rutgers team participation in the press conference that’s allegedly so opportunistic and intellectually dishonest?</p>
<p>Ponder. What would fit with your characterization of these women as incapable of judging who is “really responsible” for harming them?</p>
<p>"That, and he made the mistake of picking on a winning sports team. That isn’t acceptable in our culture. "</p>
<pre><code> REALLY ??? HOW IRONIC. Enough said. Infer what you like. :mad:
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<p>My, my… little edgy this morning aren’t we. </p>
<p>Again I suggest that you read the link at #324. </p>
<p>Saying Democrat instead of Democratic is hate-filled? Seems like a rather low threshold for hitting the hate barrier to me. But I think I’m getting a better understanding of your ease at throwing around the “hate” word. </p>
<p>Seems to me it comes down to somebody saying something that doesn’t agree with your left wing view of the world.</p>
<p>As it relates to mediamatters, try googling mediamatters along with John Podesta (Clinton operative) or George Soros (big lib supporter of Democrat Party). Mediamatters is big into censorship of those views it doesn’t like. Ultimately they would like to take away the voice to those that aren’t left wing moonbats.</p>
<p>The young women on the Rutgers basketball team are now targets, the recipients of death threats and harassment, according to media reports.</p>
<p>You win, conyat.</p>
<p>MediaMatters isn’t funded by Soros. Drudge got it wrong. When are you going to learn not to believe everything you read in the right wing conspiracy files?</p>
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<p>Please tell me where I have advocated censorship. I haven’t. You and HH are attempting to smear me with this. </p>
<p>I have advocated that those saying and funding racist and misogynist things take responsibility for it. That’s all. But apparently your camp doesn’t believe personal responsibility applies to you.</p>
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<p>Says a lot about the people defending Imus doesn’t it? </p>
<p>And the people continuing to denigrate the Rutgers women by characterizing them as so inferior they don’t know who’s “really responsible” for what happened to them?</p>
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<p>Speaking of “opportunistic” and “intellectually dishonest…”</p>
<p>But yeah, blame the people who DON’T send death threats. That’s about your style. Far be it that those actually writing the threats and those encouraging them by continuing to dump on the women take any responsibility.</p>
<p>I guess this is old-fashioned and not in keeping with your neocon values, but I believe that racists are responsible for racism. And people who threaten violence are responsible for threatening violence. I don’t need to seek out reasons to exculpate them by blaming anyone else for their actions. I didn’t find it compelling in 1969, I don’t find it compelling now.</p>
<p>Could it be that if there are deaths threats that it could be a right-wing conspiracy? 
I read an article this morning that stated that Hillary had the email addresses of the players on her campaign website in an attempt to solicit support for them. If that is true, it it ludicrous. No one even knew the names of these players, much less how to contact them, without all the media hype and political intervention. </p>
<p>Maybe Hillary could post all their myspace information too, so that we could learn ALL the intimate details of their lives…
Yup, these alleged death threats are nothing but a right-wing conspiracy.</p>
<p>(I actually read from the initial reports that “they” had received over 600 favorable emails and maybe 2-3 negative ones, when the “story” first broke. </p>
<p>Now that it has taken on a life of it’s own, who knows what will happen? Maybe those supporting the cause won’t let it die. (Does that claim sound familiar?) </p>
<p>How long will these 15 seconds of fame actually last?? And how much real damage will be done? I guess we’ll never know the truth!</p>
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<p>Sorry, but I’m familiar with the kind of publicity that college athletes get. You can’t convince me that the newspapers hadn’t published the names of these women prior even to Imus’ remarks. </p>
<p>What would those post-game articles have looked like: The tall one passed the ball to the taller one, who threw it to the even taller one, who made the basket? </p>
<p>I guess the problem is that I haven’t eaten yet this morning. Unlike the Red Queen, I’m incapable of believing even one impossible thing before breakfast, much less six.</p>
<p>^In reality, unless you are a real avid fan of a particular team, the names come and go. Name recognition of women’s basketball players is not usually common knowledge for the “general” public. It just isn’t. I watched a couple of the games and I can’t remember the names of the players at all.</p>
<p>As someone else so aptly asked, who even remembers what team represented the “Runner-up” status in last year’s women’s NCAA basketball Tournament? Most people can’t even remember the team, let alone the names of the individual players on the team!</p>
<p>Without the media hype, probably no one would remember that the Rutgers team was the 2007 NCAA Women’s Runner-Up Team. Many people won’t even remember who the Championship Team was in about six months. (Except for the team, coach, team families, and the school.)</p>
<p>I think someone dedicated enough to Imus’ cause to send death threats to college women could have googled it.</p>
<p>And frankly, I don’t buy into the argument that we should all remain silent in the face of racism for fear of threats or acts of violence.</p>
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Hindoo, let me clear up the very wrong impression you are spreading here. Rush is a very generous man. Love him or hate him, you should at least know that he DOES have an annual radiothon. But he does it for the Lukemia Society. He has a huge ego, for sure, but not nearly as large as Imus who needs enourmous letters on the side of a building acknowledging his charitable contributions. Or needs to name his ranch after himself. Hannity, too, does loads of charity tours and concerts, raising $$ for families of vets & 911 families. </p>
<p>I prefer the old days of charity efforts, like Danny Thomas naming St. Jude’s after the saint to whom he prayed, rather than errecting a neon sign to his own ego.</p>
<p>As always, dead on:</p>
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<p><a href=“http://www.wichitaeagle.com/205/story/44698.html[/url]”>http://www.wichitaeagle.com/205/story/44698.html</a></p>
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HH is correct here. The Rutgers girls didn’t even want to pursue the issue. They were swept up into the media circus. That doesn’t make them weak, or mindless jocks who have to be led around by someone who does their thinking for them. But they are still kids, five of them freshmen, who are not fully controllling the presentation and media promotin of the incident.</p>
<p>SS - I do think the girls wanted to pursue the issue at least to the extent of speaking publicly and issuing a response to Imus’ hateful words as well as meeting with him privately and understanding why a grown man would say such things.</p>
<p><a href=“Rutgers Team Wants Personal Apology - ABC News”>http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3024259&page=1&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312</a></p>
<p>"On the meeting with Imus, Ajavon said, ‘I could say that we honestly don’t know what to expect from Don Imus.’ Ajavon added the team ‘wants to know …his reasons and how you could just say things that you have not put any thought to.’ "</p>