<p>Fun! My only soccer player now is a freshman at the College of Wooster. Her sister–who will likely end up at Carleton, Vassar, or Lawrence this fall–is a theater girl. I so miss sitting on the sidelines at those high school and club games!</p>
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No. Parkinsons meds control tremors. That is why Michael Fox himself said in the past that he would go off his meds a few days before appearing before Congress. He wanted to give a true picture of how awful Parkinsons tremors are. Now, as the disease progresses, the meds can become problematic & might actually worsen tremors. Fox supported that paricular candidate because she supported embryonic stem cell research. That is exactly why Fox, who doesn’t live in her state, came out & supported her. Rush did not lie. Rush was angry that the imitating of Fox’s tremors he did on the air was sped up & run in a continuous loop to make it look more obxnoxious. So the context was not accurate at all.</p>
<p>StickerShock, why not get the facts?</p>
<p>Rush said Fox’s movements in the commercial were due to his not taking his medication. I asked you if Parkinson’s doctors didn’t contradict this. You denied it.</p>
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<p>The record shows that Parkinson’s doctors did indeed say that Rush was wrong, that what Rush alleged about the commercial was not factual:</p>
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<p>Faced with the scientific evidence, Rush himself finally admitted he was wrong in his accusation that Fox skipped his medications before the commercial. </p>
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<p>Yes he did. This is what Rush said about Fox’s commercials:</p>
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<p>In 2004, Fox made a commercial in support of Sen. Arlen Specter ¶, a Republican who supports stem cell research. Rush lied when he said that Fox only supports Democrats in favor of stem cell research; Fox is an equal opportunity endorses on this issue. </p>
<p>But there’s more: Rush compounded it with another lie, trying to trick his listeners into believing that Fox supports Democrats who oppose stem cell research:</p>
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<p>But it’s not true: Cardin voted in favor of the embryonic stem cell research bill endorsed by Fox (HR 810) and also voted to override the president’s veto of that bill. </p>
<p>You’re entitled to feel that it’s acceptable to you for Rush to lie about certain things. But that doesn’t change the fact that he lied.</p>
<p>conyat, you conveniently insert an “etc.” when a very important FACT was mentioned: Fox himself has admitted to going off his meds so his tremors would worsen when speaking before Congress. </p>
<p>I am aware of the meds worsening the involuntary movements as the disease progresses. I stated that in my posts. You, again, conveniently left out that part when you quoted me, too.</p>
<p>Rush did not lie. He was referencing Fox’s own words. The fact that Fox has gone downhill is something Rush did not know. And Fox is a very, very busy political ativist who campaigns for Democrats, almost exclusively. Perhaps 99.9% of the time. He has been doing so long before his disease was part of his platform. Spector is a Republican-in-name only. If he benefitted from a Fox endorsement, it is because his views fall in line with the Democrats. So for Fox to work for a Democrat is extremely out of character, and to call Rush’s statement a lie is ridiculous. Anyone who follows Fox would be surprised to hear he supported a Republican, because he just doesn’t do that. I like Fox as actor and was not aware he supported Spector.</p>
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<p>Are you seriously denying that Rush lied about what kind of candidates Fox made ads for? This is what I said Rush lied about. Look at the evidence.</p>
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<p>That doesn’t mean he did it to make the commercial–especially given that neurologists say at this stage of his disease it’s scientifically impossible for going off his meds to have had that effect.</p>
<p>The reason I excepted the quotes the way I did is because the omitted information was not relevent to the question of whether it was scientifically possible for Rush’s accusation to be true. It wasn’t, even Rush later admitted it.</p>
<p>You’re claiming that Rush’s accusation about what happened in the commercial was true because of something that happened years ago. If you admit to crashing your car years ago, am I entitled to accuse you of hitting mine today?</p>
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<p>Duh. Because very few Republicans support stem cell research. And that’s his one litmus test issue. He’s never claimed to support candidates who don’t support stem cell research. Only Rush has claimed (falsely) that he did.</p>
<p>I notice you conveniently ignore the lie he told about Cardin’s vote on HR 810.</p>
<p>However useful you may find Rush’s lies, however comforting you may find it to believe that any random statement of Rush trumps scientific evidence from experts in their fields, it doesn’t change what happened.</p>
<p>Rush was wrong about the commercial, and he lied about Fox supporting candidates for partisan rather than stem cell research issues.</p>
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<p>Is there anyone in America who doesn’t know that Parkinson’s is a progressive disease? And shouldn’t Rush have educated himself before making such an inflammatory, scientifically impossible, accusation?</p>
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<p>First off, Rush has plenty of time to prepare for his broadcasts, and he has staff to help him. He could make sure he was telling the truth before mischaracterizing others.</p>
<p>Second, if this was just an innocent mistake on Rush’s part and not an effort to mislead the audience–where’s the retraction? Either he set the record straight or he chose to give his audience a false impresion. Which was it?</p>
<p>It’s too funny to watch folks dissect the finer points of the mumbled ramblings and rantings of the nation’s most famous drug addict.</p>
<p>Anyone who has listened to Rush for more than 5 minutes, knows that he’s full of **** and a compulsive liar. I’ll take Mr. “Nappy-Headed 'Ho” any day over this guy.</p>
<p>Wow Hindoo!
Do you like Olbermann?–Good heart, heh?
Don’t forget to take into account his personal life (shacking up with his new gf - a 23 year old–but then again, I’m happy for Keith–he finally made a commitment here). After all, as per 467, it’s all fair game. Also his sexist remark* about Rita Cosby (dumb as a bedpost*, or something to that effect). His nightly hateful rants? Nice guy, huh?
The reason people listen to Limbaugh is that they sense he is a personable guy–something that can’t be said of Olbermann, can it. Good night and good luck–in his own mind, he’s Murrow. Sad.</p>
<p>*Media Matters must’ve forgotten to report on this.</p>
<p>*Edit: “Dumber than a suitcase of rocks.” I wouldn’t want to misquote this journalistic legend.</p>
<p>The Rush listeners are scary, because many of them actually believe the things he says, no matter how untruthful. All he has to do is say something that rings true to them because it confirms what they want to believe about the world, and no amount of evidence will convince them otherwise.</p>
<p>It’s interesting, because Rush claims to be a conservative, not a neocon, but he manages to take full advantage of the neocon’s rejection of the scientific method and their substitution of wish fulfillment for objective reality.</p>
<p>HH–Actually, Olbermann is the one liberal commentator I can think of who’s mean enough to climb into the ring with Limbaugh or O’Reilly. Didn’t know about his 23-year-old girlfriend. (Wonder if he talks dirty to her over the phone, or if she supplies him with drugs illegally?) … Limbaugh does come across as a personable guy–until you listen to what he’s saying. Then, not so much. …</p>
<p>Two-thirds of the time I listen to Limbaugh he’s talking about: human interest stories, entrepreneurship, self-reliance, global warming, economic theory, capitalism, golf, football, diets and exercise, airplanes, weather in Florida (esp. hurricanes), cigars and cats. Heaven help our country because people listen to this dangerous madman. :)</p>
<p>Oddly enough, HH, we must listen at different times. Because whenever I tune in, he’s bashing liberals/Democrats, insulting Hillary Clinton, and implying that people like myself are either stupid or un-American. …</p>
<p>That is a part of it, Hindoo; no denying.
It’s called free speech.</p>
<p>You’re right, HH. Yet why is it OK for someone to insult me, but not a woman’s basketball team? (Actually, I know the answer to that. I’m just being difficult.) And at what point does “political correctness” completely stifle “freedom of speech?” … If we’re going to muzzle Imus for his vile remarks, I can think of quite a few others equally deserving of being run off the airwaves a rail.</p>
<p>Limbaugh is insulting faceless human beings, whom he does not know, in his jibes against “liberals.” In other cases, he names names–famous liberals/Democrats. These people are fair game because they are public figures representing one of our two major political parties.</p>
<p>You can’t run conservative ideas off the airwaves, at least not in a free society. It’s the ideas you don’t want people to hear, and obviously Media Matters doesn’t want people to hear. The bigotry/racism/sexism/homophobia is just a pretext. That’s why the hypocrisy of these people (Olbermann, Matthews, Russert and all the liberals who have gone on Imus’ show for years), is so disgusting, imo. </p>
<p>I think most fair-minded people see through the game Media Matters is playing.</p>
<p>It’s not Rush who is dangerous; it’s the people whose judgement is so impaired that they believe anything he says, just because he said it.</p>
<p>A person who thinks it’s truthful to say a person voted no to something when they really voted yes–would you want such a person testifying against you in court or serving on a jury? </p>
<p>Would you want someone who doesn’t know the difference between a person taking his medication today and a person NOT taking his medication five years ago making medical decisions for your child?</p>
<p>No one is trying to take away Rush’s freedom of speech. He has a right to deceive these people if he wants. We’re just lamenting that they don’t have any better sense than to believe everything he says.</p>
<p>HH, you’re attacking a straw man. No one is trying to use censorship to run your beloved Rush off the air. What MediaMatters is doing is trying to inform the public so they can make an informed decision as to whether to listen to him or not. </p>
<p>When Rush tells a lie, why on earth is it not acceptable for another outlet to tell what really happened? If Rush distorts the truth by telling only one side of the story, why is it so harmful to tell the other side?</p>
<p>I find it interesting that you’re trying to muzzle any criticism of conservative radio–and managing to play the victim card while doing so. </p>
<p>It reminds me of the days that you used to argue that if government bodies wouldn’t force your religious beliefs on everyone else, your rights were being violated.</p>
<p>The old adage–don’t believe everything you hear/read still holds. But I don’t accuse all readers of the NYTs or viewers of CNN of being too stupid not to know that.</p>
<p>As Limbaugh so aptly points out–condescension is a liberal trait.</p>
<p>I don’t think all people who listen to Rush believe everything he says, but it’s pretty clear that a large number do. Put any one of his more outrageous lies up on a message board, and watch how quick people run in to insist it’s “really” true.</p>
<p>In this very thread, VoxDei repeated the Drudge/Rush lie that MediaMatters is funded by Soros (it isn’t). In one of the Iraq threads, you yourself used the Rush tactic of trying to make it sound like the murder rate in Philadelphia was worse than Baghdad’s (it’s not, not by far). What does that tell you about how uncritically people accept things that Rush says?</p>
<p>BUt somehow, we’re supposed to believe that it’s inappropriate to breathe a hint of disapproval of Rush, even to set the record straight. No one is to do or say anything that could result in people finding out the actual facts. The only way Rush has freedom of speech is if no one is allowed to say anything about him or his show that he wouldn’t want them to hear.</p>
<p>Suuure. On Opposite Day.</p>