In-state women in engineering

DD2 is a high school Junior who is interested in Engineering. She participate in a Materials Engineering camp at Illinois last summer and really enjoyed her experience.

I looked at Naviance and she is very slightly above the average gpa of students who are admitted to UIUC. Additionally, the average ACT admitted was a 31, which is probably about where she is going to end up. She takes her first actual test next month and had a 30 on her practice exam so 31 seems achievable but not much higher.

I know that the averages for engineering at Illinois are higher than for the other colleges. However, is it possible that since she is female, she might still have a decent chance? I don’t want to get her hopes up if she just isn’t a strong enough candidate. Perhaps she should consider a slightly easier engineering program like Wisconsin or Purdue?

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Her being a woman will be a slight advantage. She needs to do well in the Math subscore. They look at the Math subscore especially for borderline applicants. She also needs a very good GPA and to have taken a rigorous course load. Here’s the kicker with Illinois, if she applies and is admitted, she’s in. At both Purdue and Wisconsin, you need to apply for admittance to the Engineering program of your choice near the end of your freshman year. That uncertainty was a big factor in Illinois favor when my son was admitted to all three.

It’s not a matter of getting her hopes up. Apply. She’s got a shot, and you’ll never know unless you apply.

Good luck.

@balthezar Thanks for the information. Yes, her school calculates gpa oddly, but she is just above the average for students admitted to Illinois. Unfortunately, there is no information available about how much higher the bar is set for applicants to engineering, compared to applicants to the other colleges. Do you have any information about that?

Also, can you tell me how your son likes it there?

Thank you very much.

Have you looked at college selectivity listed here http://www.admissions.illinois.edu/apply/requirements_freshman.html#selectivity

Depending on the major and what the app break down for that major is in a given cycle, it could be anything from a tie breaker to a noticeable advantage. There is just no way to tell in advance. The ACT score is very important as is the Math sub-score as mentioned above. Rigor of course-load is also very important, and will depend on the high school and what is available.

She will be given the opportunity to list a 2nd choice major and should do so if there is something else she is interested in. No reason to get hopes up, or to be discouraged. Just put the best foot forward, and of course Purdue and Wisconsin are both excellent options in her range as well.

Good luck.

Engineering is very selective. It’s not personal. They attempt to fill the available slots with the best applicants from within the pool of applicants that they have for any given year. Computer Science has been what Drusba, the definitive commenter on this forum, calls impacted, which means that it is extremely competitive of late. Other engineering programs fall into and out of impacted status over time. They are, however, looking at a component of diversity when building the cohort given offers for any year, so that’s why I say to apply, write the best essay you can, and then relax.

My son loves it down there, but he went down with, IIRC, 15 others from his high school class, so he had built in buddies to hang out with when he had time. UIUC is a large university, but as with anything else, you develop a close circle of friends that make the experience much more close knit. He initially stayed at Newman Hall, one of the Private Certified Housing options that the university allows. That allowed him to obtain suite-type dorm housing where you share a bathroom and common (living) room with 1-3 other roommates, and have the option of a single or double bedroom. That worked out well for him the first year, but, of course, he had to have his independence from the man (the university) and move into various houses just off campus for his sophomore through senior year with a range of 7-11 of his “closest” friends. Now be aware that what the local populous calls a bedroom, we call a closet up here in Chicago, so the living accommodations are sparse at best, and the locals are not shy about charging top dollar for what I consider to be shabby living conditions. I mention this so you are aware that independence from the university is not free. You do save some money, but the rental management firms are absolutely ruthless when it comes time for rent, and all 12 roommates are collectively responsible for the total monthly rent due each month. As his funder, thank God I was able to do that for him, I can tell you that I wasn’t happy dealing with several of his roommates that were less than timely with their rental payments.

The athletic facilities are top notch. There are about a thousand student organizations. While the Greek Scene is large, there is absolutely no pressure to join, nor do you feel ostracized, if you don’t. The campus itself is beautiful with a traditional college feel, and the surrounding communities of Champaign, and Urbana, because of the university, are very suburban in nature with malls, restaurants, pubs, diners, coffee shops, parks etc. The students can get anywhere on the free and plentiful bus services. There are bad areas of the town, and some crime, but very rarely is it other than a student walking alone at 2 in the morning that gets accosted. My son never had any problems of that sort. During his grad year, he’s back on campus in grad housing in Goodwin Green Apartments just across Green Street from the Engineering Quad, where no class is more than a two block walk from the efficiency apartment that he currently calls home. As a freshman, however, most of your courses will be on the main quad. As with any place where you live, it’s all about location, which is why we chose Newman Hall. You can’t get much closer to the main quad than that.

The Engineering curriculum, really across all programs is tough, and the first two years necessarily emphasize advanced math, physics, and chemistry. I say necessarily because your core engineering coursework builds on that base. Some engineering programs, like aerospace for my son, use much of that base, more than other programs, but the base is pretty standard across all the engineering curriculums.

Here’s a little tip that many students fall into like my son. He was so heads down and into his courses, which necessarily demand a lot of time, that he really only halfheartedly hit the career fairs, and applied for internships. He had good grades, but those internships are critical because company hiring practices have changed since I, for example, was job-hunting. Entry Level Engineering jobs (read little to no experience) are few and far between. This situation may be getting better as the economy is finally showing signs of life. While companies are clamoring for engineers with 5+ years of experience, it’s tough even for engineers from an Engineering powerhouse like UIUC to land a job. You essentially send out resumes and cover letters, and get nothing back. So, the key is treating ECS (Engineering Career Services) as a course that it just as important as your core program courses, and going to those career fairs with a good attitude, a bunch of resumes in hand, and a smile on your face. There are several engineering courses/projects that require teamwork. That teamwork is key. Emphasize it on your resume. Companies are looking for that as well as a good, confident attitude. They know you can learn, but want to see whether you play well with others and complement the culture of their firm.

That’s it, I guess. Five years in a nutshell. It goes by too fast. Again, good luck to your daughter wherever she ends up.

@Balthezar Thank you for the valuable information. I really appreciate that.

Currently, she is most interested in chemical engineering and/or material science, so she will probably not have the issue with computer science.

Can you tell me whether they are allowed to change majors within engineering? If she began in chemical engineering and wanted to change to say, material science, is that possible, or are they locked in from day one? I am also interested in whether they have the ability to change colleges. Can they change from engineering to business, for example? Today she says she wants to be an engineer, but it is hard to know where her interests will evolve since she is only 16. She is applying to some engineering camps for this summer to learn more about it.

Thank you again for the information.

It is possible and I am told a much more informal process than transferring into engineering from an outside program. Nothing is guaranteed, however. There needs to be space available, but I’m assuming a chat with the dean, might help…just sayin.

As for transferring into business, I’m afraid I know much less about that. I’d just call the College of Business and ask the all powerful undergraduate program coordinator for the program that she’d like to transfer into. They’re the ones who actually carry out the process of transfers and everything else for that matter when it comes to a given program.

@Balthezar I also just noticed that Chemical Engineering is actually in LAS, and Material Science is in engineering.
Does that make it a lot harder to transfer between these two? Right now she is interested in both of them.

@balthezar Also, on her application, can she apply as a candidate for either Chemical Engineering or Material Science, or does she have to pick only one.

Chemical Engineering is only in LAS because that’s where it started historically. It is for all practical purposes considered internal to Engineering. She has to pick one as a first choice. She can pick the other as a second choice. Always confirm with admissions, however.

For 2015-16, one may definitely list a first and second choice. They do require the applicant to write an essay for each choice, though.

Thank you, that is helpful.

Two essays are no problem. I would assume that the chemical eng essay would look amazingly similar to the material science essay.

As pet US News & World Report Chemical Engg. Major is one of the best in the country, similar to Comp. Sc. In the E ngg. Prepare well for the ACT and try to get a good score (33 is safe I think) and maintain a good GPA too.

Like most big state schools, ACT/SAT and GPA are the most important factors for admission. Do alot of test prep, and have her take the ACT/SAT as many times as possible before she applies.