(Intended CS/CSE Major) Johns Hopkins vs. UMich (Ross PreAdmit/Engineering) vs. Berkeley (LS CS)

Hello everyone!

I recently received my college decisions, so it is deciding time!

I am really torn between my three choices. I live in Michigan, and I plan to study CS or CSE with a business dual or minor, but I am still new to it and am open to changing. I still don’t know 100% if it is for me… I am very involved in startup entrepreneurship, and that is my intended career path.

UMich:
Top engineering school
I received admission to the biz school (Ross) right out of high school
I will get a BSE/BBA dual degree in 5 years
–Concerns- I live in Michigan and my brother goes here. 25% of my school goes here, so it not that big of a deal. I also think it is in my comfort zone, and leaving the state to go to college may be a great opportunity.

JHU:
I have a $34K scholarship per year
JHU wants me to bring entrepreneurship to campus, as it is not that well established yet
Given I have received a scholarship and am a part of a small CS class, I will get more attention and school funding for my projects.
–Concerns- “Not being fun.” It is a medicine oriented school, and I am focusing on business and CS. Too competitive?

Berkeley:
Letters and Sciences CS Major
Best CS school
I hope to go into startup entrepreneurship, and Cali is perfect for that
Good job opportunities
Getting out of my comfort zone
–Concerns- 3.3 GPA cutoff. What if I do not make the cut? It is difficult to transfer to engineering, so I would have to find a degree in LS, but I dont want a bullSht degree. I plan to transfer to Haas and get a dual. What if that does not work out? There is a lot of uncertainty here, whereas UMich is very certain.

Considering all of the pros and concerns. What do you guys think? Obviously Berkeley is twice the cost of the other two options, but I want the decision to be made based on the schools rather than the money.

Thank you,

Adarsh

Congrats on being accepted to three amazing programs. Double congrats on the hefty JHU scholarship, that is quite an accomplishment. After graduating from HS in California I was faced with a similar dilemma of choosing between two awesome state schools (UCLA and Berkley), but also had the same concerns as you do about staying in state and within my comfort zone (my HS was also a large feeder into these schools). I decided to go to JHU instead, and looking back I am thrilled with the decision. College is an opportunity to mature, and can be a chance to redefine yourself. People are inherently lazy and prefer comfort, so forcing myself to go across the country and challenging myself to make new friends, explore new places and gain new perspective definitely added to my growth during those years. I remember coming home for Winter Break my freshman year to my HS friends who stayed in CA and was surprised to learn how many more new people I had met and places I had explored having left the state, while many of them maintained the same HS friendships and perspectives. Starting over in a brand new environment is difficult but can be truly rewarding. Additionally, the hefty scholarship to JHU makes it even more tempting since the finances are less of a factor (of course finances should always be a factor, in fact, since these are all great schools, it should be a primary factor).

Did Hopkins say that entrepreneurship on campus was not well established? I find that surprising if they did since I remember being inundated with ads for undergrad business competitions, elevator pitch competitions, design competitions, idea conventions, etc. all the time. It seems silly to be the nation’s first research university with a 35-year streak for the largest university R&D annual expenditure and not have a well-established means by which to develop this research into marketable products for a return on investment (http://www.bestcolleges.com/features/colleges-with-highest-research-and-development-expenditures/). Not only is that silly, but, given what I saw, was not the case. Maybe they are trying to refocus on it and more actively recruit. Some of the thinktanks and organizations devoted to entrepreneurship associated with JHU (at multiple levels of development and for various fields) include the Social Innovation Lab, the Commercializing Academy, FastForward, CBID, JHTV, BHI and I’m sure many more I just can’t remember. There are countless companies, many of them biotech and medtech related, associated with alumni/students/faculty of the University: http://ventures.jhu.edu/fastforward-companies/ . But beyond the healthcare/engineering application, JHU has renewed its commitment to establishing new industries and markets in the Baltimore and Maryland area, and has devoted considerable talent and finances to supporting undergrad/grad students and locals with their entrepreneurial endeavors. There are also undergraduate scholarships like the O’Connor Award and the JHU Entrepreneurship Award, which involve $10,000 scholarships for developing student ideas.

Lastly, the same three rumors that come up again and again are that Baltimore is a war zone, people at Hopkins don’t have social lives and that Hopkins is a cutthroat premed environment. Honestly, none of these are true, so make sure you speak with actual students when making this important decision and not just rumors or assumed stereotypes. Hopkins does have many premeds (probably about 30-40%), but being a premed is not a major, there are History of Art majors who are premed, so it definitely is not a homogenous bunch and (in my opinion) it doesn’t take away from the diversity of the student body. It surprises people to know that (often) some of the top ten most popular majors on campus include International Relations (often the second most popular major, and a feeder into the well-respected DC-based SAIS program), English, Writing Seminars (a creative writing major), Economics, and History. Additionally, the Classics, French, and History of Art departments, while small, are very well-respected academically.

Here are some previous threads where common JHU misconceptions are addressed:

Safety: http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/johns-hopkins-university/1821701-questions-about-baltimore.html#latest

Social Life/School Pride/Greek Life/Food: http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/johns-hopkins-university/1878658-johns-hopkins-vs-cornell.html#latest

Hope this helps!

I almost forgot to mention that JHU recently finished building Malone Hall, a building solely focused on integrative and collaborative medical research combining CS with engineering and medicine. Dedicating and designing a whole buildings to encourage cross-disciplinary research is a newer concept and shows the school’s commitment to innovative and interprofessional research. Always look to see where an institution is spending its money to determine its focus and priorities. Anyone can talk but until you spend the money, it’s only words. The fact that this building is on the undergrad campus and not a graduate campus is also telling, and hints to the opportunities you can take advantage of as an undergrad.

It does not really make too much sense to go to Berkeley with uncertainty about getting into your major and a significantly higher price, compared to the other schools you list.