Interpreting "UC Freshman Application Data" and "Undergraduate Admissions Summary"

I’m looking at the following information sources, and trying to interpret the number of A-G and Honors courses given in each source:

My question is:

  • Should the ranges given for A-G and Honors courses be interpreted as SEMESTER courses, or YEAR courses? (This would make a big difference!)

There is no information on the PDF about which high school years are being counted (9-12, 10-12, etc), or whether the numbers represent semesters or years. However, the Undergraduate Admissions Summary interactive table has a note at the bottom with the following:

  1. A-G courses – For freshmen, the number of yearlong college preparatory courses completed or planned in 9th-12th grades.
  2. Honors courses – For freshmen, the number of yearlong courses taken or planned in 10th-12th grades.

I am actually starting to wonder if BOTH sources are actually showing number of SEMESTERS, and not YEARS, and maybe there is a mistake in the code generating the interactive table?

The reason I think there is a mistake is that if you select A-G courses, 100% of Freshman applicants systemwide are listed as having 25 or more A-G courses (there are a few outliers but less than 1%), see this screenshot:

The baseline A-G requirements only include 15 yearlong courses. So it would make sense for this table to have categories for <20, 20-25, and >=25 courses. But you would expect to see applicants distributed in more than one category in the table, not all clumped in the >=25 courses category (and the fact that almost all applicants are in this category means that the viewer of this page also isn’t getting any information).

A student at a school with 6 periods (many high schools in CA) would typically have only about 24 A-G courses in grades 9-12. Some students also have to fulfill their PE and other non-academic requirements during the regular high school day, and some may also take a lighter load (5 a-g courses) in senior year, which would mean that some students are going to have fewer than 24… so it doesn’t make logical sense to me that almost all students would be applying to UCs with 25 year courses or more. (Remember that the numbers above are for ALL applicants to ALL campuses!)

Furthermore, when I compare this to the numbers in the PDF, the various campuses show A-G course numbers with a middle 25%- 75% range around 44-56, so this must refer to SEMESTERS (given these numbers). However, if it’s semesters, then the middle 25%- 75% range of YEARLONG courses must be about 22-33, which would be inconsistent with the interactive table (which shows 100% of students in the >=25 category).

So I think there must be a mistake in the code generating the table, and it’s actually counting SEMESTERS when it should be counting YEARS??

All UC stats are on a semester basis, that’s what is used for calculations including the statewide eligibility guarantee:

Next, tabulate your A-G course totals.

Count every semester of UC-approved A-G coursework completed in 9th-11th grade and in progress or planned for 12th grade. If your school operates on a quarter system, divide the total number of quarter courses by 2 to get a semester count. If your school operates on a trimester system, divide the total number of trimester courses by 1.5 to get your semester total. If your school assigns only one grade for a yearlong course, multiply your yearlong courses by 2 for a semester count.

Finally, find your GPA and corresponding course totals on the chart below.

You are in the top 9 percent statewide if your total number of A-G courses corresponds with the GPA listed in the index. Note: this is just an estimate. UC will calculate your official UC GPA when you submit your application for admission.

High school GPA # of A - G Courses
3.60 - 3.64 76
3.65 - 3.69 74
3.70 - 3.74 70
3.75 - 3.79 66
3.80 - 3.84 63
3.85 - 3.89 58
3.90 - 3.94 54
3.95 - 3.99 50
4.00 - 4.04 46
4.05 - 4.09 41
4.10 - 4.14 37
4.15 - 4.19 34
4.20 - 4.24 32
4.25 or above 30

https://admission.universityofcalifornia.edu/admission-requirements/freshman-requirements/california-residents/statewide-guarantee/admissions-index-instructions.html

Hi @tamagotchi -

To your point, it is unfortunate that the PDF does not have footnotes clarifying what is counted, but I assume it is semesters.

The interactive table does have footnotes as does another interactive report with footnotes that reflects yearlong courses (converted from the various term types available across high schools) and also includes 7th & 8th grade courses in Math and Language Other Than English per the footnotes: Freshman Fall Admissions Summary.

Yes, the UC stats are definitely on a semester basis on the Admissions Index.

However on the Undergraduate Admissions Summary interactive table, there is a specific footnote saying that the table shows “yearlong courses” and the table itself is clearly set up for yearlong courses (otherwise they would not have the categories shown).

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Thanks @pathandpurpose! That table (Freshman Fall Admissions Summary) actually supports my point that the other interactive table is not showing the data it claims to show. This table does seem to be counting yearlong courses:

But it’s inconsistent with the other table, which claims to show yearlong courses but I believe is showing semester courses.

Perhaps the footnotes were carried over from the Feb 2024 interactive table to the March 2024, but not properly reflecting the data that is being pulled.

Because both tables have the same numeric category groupings, I think they must have both been designed for the same data. That’s why I think it is a mistake in the data, not a mistake in the footnote…

Assuming UC and CSU counts the same,

CSU uses year long for HS classes. So your AP Cal AB is actually one year and not two semesters.

BUT, CSU counts one semester of CC class as equivalent to one year of HS class. Hence that Cal 1 from CC, even though it’s one college semester, CSU counts as one A-G year.

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I am comparing UC data sources. None of these are CSU data sources.

good luck to you then

Thanks for discovering this. I think I was similarly confused by the Mar 2024 table so I didn’t spend much time on it. Perhaps contact them by emailing them irap@ucop.edu per the Comments and Feedback hyperlink.

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So, comparing the following data sources, here’s what appears to be the case:

  1. Freshman Fall Admissions Summary table (dated February 13, 2024) shows YEARS of A-G and Honors courses
  2. UC Freshman Application Data PDF shows SEMESTERS of A-G and Honors courses
  3. Statewide Index shows SEMESTERS of A-G courses
  4. Undergraduate Admissions Summary table (dated March 7, 2024) appears to show data for SEMESTERS of A-G and Honors courses (but the footnote states YEARS and the categories seem designed for YEARS)

Thanks for the suggestion, I do think someone at UC should be contacted :slight_smile:

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I just want to note that the 1st link UC Freshman Application data PDF was published 7/17/23 while the Undergrad Admission Summary was published 3/7/24.

Based on the PDF published date, this is preliminary data and I also noticed that most of the 25-75th percentile GPA ranges and admit rates are different than from the ranges published on the UC website admit data.

Example. UCD on PDF 4.09-4.29. UC Website 4.03-4.27.
Admit rate PDF: 36.4%. UC Website: 41.8%

I know this does not explain the differences in Honors course numbers listed but just an observation.

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Thanks! I expect there will be some changes in these numbers depending on updates to the data, as well as from year to year.

I am just trying to make sure the numbers are not off by a factor of 2 :slight_smile:

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I’ve emailed irap@ucop.edu and webeditor@ucop.edu (since I wasn’t sure which would be best), and I will update this thread if I get any additional information, or if they fix the table :wink:

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At the bottom of the linked page is the following (emphasis added):

The table gives <20.0, 20.0-24.9, and >=25.0 for the number of a-g courses. The minimum is 15.

On the other hand, the nearly 100% of applicants, admits, and enrollees with >=25.0 seems like a data error, since there are plenty of students in 6-period high schools who would have difficulty getting at least 25 year long a-g courses into their schedule that nominally has space for 24 year long courses including stuff like PE and health.

Yes, I mentioned this footnote. However, the data in the table is not correct if you interpret it that way. You can see in the screenshots below how it’s inconsistent with the data on the Freshman Fall Admissions Summary table. (Thanks to @pathandpurpose for pointing out this table earlier. :wink:)

Here’s the Freshman Fall Admissions Summary (dated February 13, 2024):

And here’s the Undergraduate Admissions Summary (dated March 7, 2024):

I received email from one of the IRAP directors today. They thanked me for finding the error in the data, and said they’ll make sure it’s fixed.

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Way to go @tamagotchi!

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Looks like the data on this page was updated today!

The categories are out of order now, but at least the data looks better. :grin:

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