Inventing While Muslim

This is the exact same anti-intellectual attitude a HS classmate with a super-strong STEM bent had about English literature courses which prompted him to figure out a way of avoiding having English lit classes in his HS schedule for 4 years.

It was only after he already received acceptances to several elite colleges like Cornell and Brown did the administration found out, notified the colleges to rescind his admission letters, and yes…forced him to stay another year with a schedule filled with nothing but English lit classes to make up the English lit requirement for graduation.

He does have a plausible argument that English lit would be a complete waste of his time considering his interests are hardcore STEM(Computers, technology, and medicine) and this bump didn’t end up hurting him considering he ended up graduating from Cornell, graduated from a US medical school, and went into a highly respected specialization(forgot if it was cardiology or neurology).

On the other hand, it’s a sad commentary on the mentality of some in regard to the positive benefits of a well-rounded education and maintaining/increasing the lifelong curiosity necessary to continually get the most out of it and from life in general.

Musicprnt, it’s in the code of conduct a couple of different ways. Whether you agree that it should be is another story, but it is clear that the teacher had no choice but to report the device. What happened from there is more problematic, but Ahmed knew he was going to cause alarm. He said so.

From @alh “[technical literacy] is probably part of a well rounded education, like being familiar with Twain’s main writings.”

This

Some say any particular sort of literacy isn’t important. All kinds of literacies are important. In this case, a very modest technical literacy would have saved a whopping amount of embarrassment and possibly a suit. Education costs nothing compared to ignorance.

@zoosermom:
The only problem with your statement is that it is in the code of conduct several ways has one problem with it, it isn’t true. Someone published the school’s code of conduct, and there is nothing in it about electronics, there is nothing in it about clocks. The only item that could be remotely seen with the device might be the line about bringing something that looks like a weapon or could cause harm, but the way the code is written it almost explicitly talks about things that look like guns, like a water pistol or whatnot. There is nothing in the code of conduct that says you shouldn’t bring things to school some might construe as a bomb. The policy doesn’t even ban bringing a gun to school, as long as it is unloaded, so how could this be a violation of school policy? I have no problem with the teacher reporting the device, she could have thought it violated policy, but the way that policy in fact is written the school would have a very hard time saying how the device violated policy. If they had a policy like the school you mentioned against electronics, yes, but someone posted that policy in this thread earlier, and there is nothing even that close to what the boy did, one of the things about school policies is that schools have been rapped, hard, when they claim a policy bans something and it isn’t explicitly enumerated, broad based claims like “it looked threatening” would not pass muster in court, even in texas, things like school policies that are that vague are meaningless. They specify things like bb guns, they specify ammunition, they specify things like box cutters and knives, but something that looks like a bomb possibly…no where enumerated and I defy someone to show me the policy that is clear and direct.

And the problem is what happened later, after the teacher reported it, they knew it wasn’t a bomb, that is completely clear (how do I know this? They never called the bomb squad, never evacuated the school, which they would of had they really been worried about it). Likewise, there is zero logic that the kid intended a hoax to shake things up, the way he did it would make no sense in that context. The fact that he understood it could cause problems is found out is irrelevant, that would make him a stupid kid, not a provocateur, to argue he intended it to be a hoax because he knew it might cause issues is stretching the intent, from not thinking fully of the consequences, to being deliberately out to commit a hoax. Even if the kid did violate policy (which any lawyer worth his salt could blow out of the water, laws that are vague are unenforcable and saying, as one school moron did "it is obvious to anyone that a clock can be taken as a bomb’, misses the point they knew it wasn’t a bomb all along, violating a school policy doesn’t justify having the local cops take him out in handcuffs in front of everyone else (which was deliberate) and interrogating him the way they did, and the only reason they did it that only could conclude, knowing it wasn’t a bomb, is that the cops thought he was a smart a** muslim, and wanted to put him ‘in his place’, not exactly a big surprise in that school district from other things I have read.

“OMG…there’s lint in my navel!!!”

I am shocked, and disgusted, I tell you, I can’t believe that anyone who calls themselves educated has any concern about lint in their navel. ANYONE with any intellectual curiosity knows Dr. Kruszelnick’s work, who was awarded the Nobel Prize for Interdisciplinary Research in 2002, has done surveys that tell us all about navel lint. Obviously, detailed knowledge of navel lint is part of a well rounded education, and you should be embarrassed for your ignorance.Of course, this kind of anti-intellectualism is to be expected from small business owners, such as yourself. Here, I will school you on some of the fine doctors findings on naval lint. Sheesh,@dietz199, I expected more of you! How do you even look in the mirror, with such ignorance :smiley:

“Navel lint is mostly stray fibers from one’s clothing, mixed with some dead skin cells and body hair.
Unlike what most people think, navel lint comes from a person’s underwear and not from their shirts or tops. The fibres move there from friction of body hair on underwear.
Women have less navel lint because of their finer and shorter body hairs. Older men have it more because they have more hair and it is thicker.
Navel lint’s color is usually blue-gray. The color is most likely an average of all clothing colors worn.[2]
Navel lint is entirely harmless and does not need to be corrected”

It’s not anti-intellectual. You just can’t know everything about everything, and it is completely arcane to expect the average person to “know” whether a collection of a bunch of parts is really a bomb or not. Let the bomb squad figure it out.

I guarantee there are plenty of topics I’m “intellectual” about that don’t even exist in your world. And I don’t really care about your classmate.

@pizzagirl:
There are some things about common sense, not just what the parts look like, but the fact that the kid actually showed the device to people, that alone told them a lot. More importantly, in this story, it has come out that neither the school and its administration, or the cops, thought it was a bomb, they never acted like it was, which means this whole argument is superfluous to the main body. The school was not evacuated, the cops were not called until over an hour later, which means they already knew it wasn’t anything threatening…which means the whole calling the cops and busting the kid was about wanting to humiliate the kid and ‘send a message’, and the only thing I can come up with, given they knew it wasn’t a bomb, and that the way the kid behaved could only logically be seen as not being done as a hoax, that they busted him because he was ‘one of them’.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out, if the federal government’s civil rights division gets involved, I think the school and the cops, based on the facts we know, don’t have a leg to stand on, unless they have some secret evidence (which they will need to bring out in court, they can’t claim student confidentiality if they are sued or prosecuted), they are going to be hit hard with penalties.

It is incredibly arrogant to assume that everyone must know a certain amount of information about a specific subject or they’re an idiot. There are so many different types of people, with different talents, backgrounds and interests. That’s part of what makes life interesting, it would be so boring if we were all alike. Some of the things that I consider to be basic information that everyone knows, is undoubtedly completely confusing to others. And I would never condescend to someone because they don’t know what I do, and would certainly never try to embarrass them.

That’s part of how you show others respect. Obviously, it is a difficult concept for some to comprehend, though I consider it basic knowledge of how to treat people.

Nobody said anything about being an idiot.

A well rounded education is just that - it means having knowledge about many different areas with expertise in one or two.

An engineer who knows naught about art has an incomplete education.
An artist who knows nothing of physics has an incomplete education.

John Gardner:
“The society which scorns excellence in plumbing as a humble activity and tolerates shoddiness in philosophy because it is an exalted activity will have neither good plumbing nor good philosophy: neither its pipes nor its theories will hold water.”

that is all. Holding as aspirational a full, well rounded education should be an insult to no one.

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Let’s avoid bandying about words like “arrogant” and “idiot,” shall we?!

Jack of all trades - master of none. Not the way many want to live, 50N40W.

This thread seemed to cease being about the kid in Texas a long time ago.

OK, I’m dumb, I don’t see why having a power cord on a bomb makes no sense. Plug it in, power the timer and fuse, go away, and bang.

Looks like it will be problematic for the school district to give more specifics on the incident. Believe they are restricted by privacy laws:

Using logic and exceedingly basic good engineering, someone constructing such a device for its intended purpose is unlikely to want its functionality to be dependent on an external power source which could fail because it was cut off deliberately or otherwise due to power failures/glitches out of the maker’s control through the design.

An internal independent source means such complications are eliminated. Adding another complication and point of failure when it’s not necessary or detrimental to the successful functionality of said device is considered poor engineering design according to what I’ve gathered from engineer relatives, my foray into computer teching, and readings.

@sorghum, I don’t know the answer but I would guess that people don’t make bombs that are dependent on electrical cords because it restricts significantly the areas where the bomb may be placed.

Hmm… why couldn’t they simply use an external battery pack? Seems pretty basic.

And greatly increase risks of detection due to the greater possible visibility of mysterious whether visually or in some settings, due to detection of a device drawing power from the building’s grid, however minor if the building/institution strictly monitors power usage for security or cost control reasons.

“that is all. Holding as aspirational a full, well rounded education should be an insult to no one.”

Oh, I get it! You and others are just musing about how people should aspire to have a well rounded education, and that those that don’t, merely have an “incomplete education”. Not saying that people are anti-intellectual, have a lack of intellectual curiosity, or that, “education costs nothing compared to ignorance”. Gee, I wonder why some of us got a different impression? You were just wishing that everyone could have a complete education. Now, I understand. Unfortunately my incomplete education, completing merely an engineering degree and a masters degree, didn’t allow me to understand the nuances of what you were actually saying. Besides the fact that it was 30 years ago, and I probably have learned and remembered far more from this forum than I did in college.

" I don’t know the answer but I would guess that people don’t make bombs that are dependent on electrical cords because it restricts significantly the areas where the bomb may be placed."

I’m not sure why the alarm on the clock would have gone off in the backpack, if the power source depended upon an electrical cord. Unless he had a battery backup, I suppose. Why would he have set the alarm to go off during class, knowing it was on battery, if that was the case?

How many of the self defined ‘well rounded’ edubukated on this thread would know what to do when they turn the key in the car ignition and…nothing happens…hmmm…Or hey…even know how to debug your computer on a system code level? Pretty basic skills we all should have since the car and computer are lifeline support systems. Unlike being able to identify a home made clock made to look like something very different.