IQ and the elite

<p>From the book “Spent” by Geoffrey Miller:</p>

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<p>Our society is ruthless about IQ, yet oddly enough we’re never supposed to talk about the importance of IQ. It’s as if those in the middle class or below don’t want to acknowledge that they are largely handicapped by not having high IQs while those in the upper classes don’t want to acknowledge that the positions they attained by “merit” are due to genetic endowment (perhaps the meaning of “merit”). </p>

<p>Companies however are forbidden from hiring their employees based on an IQ test. It’s simply illegal for them to do so. This causes companies to try to gauge a potential employees intelligence in other ways–by where they went to school or their SAT scores were, facts which are, of course, interrelated. </p>

<p>These facts justify socialism. It is in the interest of a person with an IQ of sub 110 to vote for redistributionist policies since, because of his genes, he is not likely to ever earn as much as a person endowed with higher IQ.</p>

<p>Your first paragraph is not really supported by the material you provided. It said people in elite universities, not people of the upper class, have generally higher IQ’s. There is by no means a guarantee that someone born into an elite family will, or even that rich people in general, have higher IQ’s than someone born into, or living in, lesser circumstances.</p>

<p>It’s a question of averages. If you attend an elite university, you are by and large being groomed for an upper-middle class or upper class life. And today access to upper middle class life or above is determined by the “meritocracy” – i.e, the ruthless selection for IQ.</p>

<p>IQ is a combination of genetic and environmental factors, but in my opinion, the environmental factors has a good chance of having more influence, depending on the mental state of the person at hand. So if we’re looking at a young Black kid in a very poor family that doesn’t encourage education, but he works EXTREMELY hard, reads a lot of books (across all genres: science, history, etc), gets involved at his school, develops good social skills, understanding the world around him, he still might not develop the highest IQ, but he’ll get more opportunities with scholarships and whatnot and eventually become more intelligent. Then you look at the kid who’s in a rich family and is encouraged his whole life to learn and is given opportunities by his parents EARLY ON in his life to become a smart person with intelligence. In my opinion, IQ has a lot to do with how a child is influenced very early on in his life. If parents are always talking around a baby, that baby has a greater chance of becoming more “smart” than a baby who’s usually in a quiet room with no one talking words around him.</p>

<p>My point is that the argument the op is making is not the same as the point made by the material provided. The two arguments are not even that closely related. It is closer to a non sequitur than a supported point.</p>

<p>" have met theoretical physicists who claimed that any human could understand superstring theory and quantum mechanics if only he or she was given the right educational opportunities. Of course, such scientists talk only with other physicists with IQs above 140, and seem to forget that their janitors, barbers, and car mechanics are in fact real humans too, so they can rest comfortably in the envy-deflecting delusion that there are no significant differences in general intelligence."</p>

<p>Except theoretical physics is… theoretical. You basically make up something. Ideally there is no way to test if it is true or false. Then somebody else builds a billion dollar cyclotron and gathers some data, publishes it. You make up some explanation for it and publish. What’s to understand?
I mean, this guy is saying the average person can’t understand theoretical physics. But nobody understands it, because it is mainly made up. The only theoretical physicist I can think of whos theory was actually proven (in a meaningful way) was Einstein. And that guy was one in a billion. </p>

<p>I have a better theory. Seems people talk about intelligence in only 2 ways:
1). “I am not smart enough” to excuse their laziness/failure. They just want to believe they never had a chance.
2) “Other people are not smart enough” as an ego thing. They just want to believe that they were genetically predestined to be “better” than everyone else.</p>

<p>I think we know which category the writer of this essay is under.</p>

<p>IQ tests are silly and an inadequate measuring stick for intelligence.</p>

<p>That article is rubbish. The SATs are NOT an IQ test, and people with a high enough intelligence wouldn’t care what others think of them; they won’t try to impress a bunch of people with low intelligence, but instead they’ll spend their time and energy searching for the truth. Christopher Langan is a good example.</p>

<p>The SAT may not be an accurate IQ test, but it’s quite possibly the best thing universities have out there to measure how well a student will do in college. It measures critical thinking, writing ability, and basic mathematical skills. Frankly, I don’t approve of the system but it does make sense.</p>

<p>“…people with a high enough intelligence wouldn’t care what others think of them…”</p>

<p>I’m not sure how accurate this is…it wouldn’t explain the fact that many of world’s foremost experts in a variety of fields tend to be from prestigious universities. It does matter how other people think of you. The degree to which you care may be differ, but if you want financial and academic support in order to carry out research, you need to prove to others that you are smart and can produce results.</p>

<p>To answer the OP, I do not think it is worth your time to retake the SAT with such an excellent score. Work on other aspects of your application.</p>

<p>I personally dislike the SAT’s presentation, but I think its merits are in giving some measure of abilities between those from countless different backgrounds and upbringings.</p>

<p>Oops, sorry. ^^^^ wrong reply lol.</p>

<p>I do not have a strong opinion per se on this topic. However, one HS student I know had very high SATs but mediocre grades. The top schools would not take her. So, she is intelligent and her mom says she can focus and thrive on topics that interest her. But she is not a good fit perhaps with structured learning environments. I would say she is highly intelligent…she just doesn’t fit with our normal politically correct learning environments.</p>

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<li>IQ “scores” only have value because they are predictive. </li>
<li>They are highly predictive of educational success over entire populations. </li>
<li>They are moderately predictive of success within self selected groups (ie: high SATs still correlate with college GPA, even within self selected student populations).</li>
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<p>OK, so the posters conclusions are not related to the excerpt from “Spent”. I don’t see how this justifies socialism. </p>

<p>I will have to agree with Miller. There is a lot of overblown politically correct hypocrisy in the academic world. </p>

<p>The SAT is biased against dumb people. It is supposed to be. Different groups have different intellectual ability as defined in the traditional sense. So what?</p>