Iranian nuclear engineers at berkeley

Colleges & Universities University of California - Berkeley
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<p><a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/12/world/middleeast/12iran.html?hp&ex=1144900800&en=b9ad13587321bba1&ei=5094&partner=homepage[/url]”>http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/12/world/middleeast/12iran.html?hp&ex=1144900800&en=b9ad13587321bba1&ei=5094&partner=homepage&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>I know berkeley has many international students. Does berkeley allow students who are Iranian or North Korean citizens study nuclear engineering. I don’t think that a university should discriminate based on race or background, but should it take national security into consideration?</p>

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<p>No offense to Iran and and North Korea, but I doubt either of them has very many 18 year olds with the stats to make it into Berkeley as an international. Even if they did, it’s highly unlikely that they would get in.</p>

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<p>North Korean’s cannot just leave their country at will. With security issues nowadays I am sure getting a student VISA to study at Berkeley may get someones attention at the State Dept.</p>

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<p>What are you talking about, greatestyen? Iran produces some of the best qualified college graduates, who study at the top engineering programs in the U.S. North Koreans, however, are not allowed to study in the U.S.</p>

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<p>They don’t give visas anymore for majors like newkulahr engineering to varmints form the axis of evil. They’d be lucky to get visas for cooking schools nowadays (something about “yellowcake” being un-kosher)</p>

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<p>thank you im_blue.</p>

<p>at least somebody on this thread isn’t talking out of their ass with no evidence to back it up.</p>

<p>greatestyen iranians are one of the most educated people on earth.</p>

<p>and one of the richest minorities in the united states if not the richest.</p>

<p>students in iran have the stats to get into berkeley and beyond, the only thing that is stopping them is politics. the average iranian student in iran is more hardworking, more educated, more qualified than you and your entire family is to get into berkeley, so next time you open your mouth about a country you know nothing about, do a little research.</p>

<p>the only reason berkeley let you through the door is because you live in america by luck. otherwise you wouldn’t stand a chance against the average iranian college student.</p>

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<p>(that is, even berkeley even made the mistake of letting you in) </p>

<p>and if not, thank god.</p>

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<p>Although I agree that Iranians are well educated let’s not go the other extreme and say all of them are smarter than everyone else. I can name a few Indians (not me, I’m dumb), other Asians, Americans, Africans(-Americans), mixed and Italians (and all the other ones I forgot to mention in order to remain politically correct) that can give anyone a run for their money.</p>

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<p>I’m sorry, ilovecalifornia, but it is you who err. </p>

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<p>Are they? “Iranians,” you say. Iranians are “one of the most” people on Earth. Huh?</p>

<p>First of all, no, you are spouting lies. WHILE Iran may have its share of smart people, “Iranians” as a whole (which is the wording the part of your reply I last quoted) are not “one of the most” educated people on Earth. Second, you should replace “one” with “among” you imbecile. Third, it is you who don’t know what you’re talking about, evidence:: </p>

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<p>OK, so now its “students” in Iran? I would agree to that, for there’s gotta be someone with “the stats.” BUT this contradicts your previous point in which “Iranians” are “one of the most” educated people on Earth. Sure, there’s smart people in every country, but to claim that a country as a whole is smart and then state otherwise is pretty stupid. </p>

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<p>Well this is just stupid. First of all, I AM a Berkeley student. So the next time you go insulting a poster, it helps to check that poster’s post so you don’t make a complete ass out of yourself. Second, my family is very smart.</p>

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<p>I opened my mouth? Really? I thought I merely typed . . . </p>

<p>And you’re saying I don’t know anything about Iran. Oh I do . . . </p>

<p>But aside from your stupidity and back to my main point:</p>

<p>Iranian students, as a whole, are very unlikely to get into Berkeley…why? Well the reasons are simple. Most of Berkeley’s international students come from East Asia or Europe, because those geographical ares have the best schools which teach something that is at least comparable to the U.S. curriculum which Iran does not specifically encourag. Second, the competition from those two world areas are INTENSE. East Asian kids compete like no other to get into U.S. schools, especially Berkeley and the other schools with strong math, science, and engineering departments. </p>

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<p>OH? So now I AM good enough for Berkeley? Make up your mind. </p>

<p>I live in America by “luck”? W T H? I’ll have you know that I am not even an American citizen, having immigrated from East Asia in my sophomore year of high school. But the move wasn’t luck, it was choice. Moreover, I stand a chance against all students everywhere. My stats were perfect. Do not do what you accuce me of doing (assuming) . . . the realities might turn out to be quite different.</p>

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<p>royrules,</p>

<p>i agree with you. i was just speaking on iranians. i was only defending them as one of the most educated because some idiot doubted the academic capabilities of iranian students.</p>

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<p>arguments on forums…</p>

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<p>greatestyen, i have a ridde for you. I just made it up on the spot and i think you can relate to it.</p>

<p>how can you tell if someone is losing an argument online???.
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…when their argument lacks so much substatnace, that they start picking on grammatical errors. </p>

<p>Half of your post was like proof-reading what i wrote. its pathetic.</p>

<p>i’m sorry your a FOB who thinkings he deserves a cookie for writing in ‘proper english’ but I on the other hand, am a native of the USA and I don’t worry about grammatical errors bc im arguing online with a ■■■■■■, not writing an essay for school. </p>

<p>are you trying to say that competition in iran is any less INTENSE than other asian countries? your out of your mind and have just proven how little you know about iran.</p>

<p>your saying east asian kids compete like no other to get into american schools, but how do you know? you lack the stats to back up your original statement. your ethnocentric. you guys aren’t the only ones busting your asses off to get a higher education in the US.</p>

<p>You know NOTHING about Iran. you are talking about iran, as if it is a country of tribal, illiterate, tent-dwellers. You probably have iran confused with some other arab country.You know what, your not worth it. Maybe if you come back with some statistics, then i’ll take the time to read what you have to say. Otherwise get the hell out of here and stop spreading your opinion as ‘truth’</p>

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<p>Greatestyen: I totally agree with you and wonder what ilovecalifornia is insecure about.</p>

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<p>ilovecalifornia, maybe you should consider staying on the high school boards and off here. You seem to have a history of arguing and not knowing what you are talking about.
We’ll see if you even make the cut and can get into Berkeley. By the way, I am 1/2 Middle Eastern and take offense at your remark about “other Arab countries of tribal, illiterate, tent-dwellers.” I am a freshman admit at Cal, obviously I made the cut so I am obviously not illiterate.</p>

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<p>East Asian Immigrants are smarter and more numerous than Iranians. 1.5 billion east asians. 100 million Iranians. No way the smartest Iranians can compare in number or quality of the best East Asians.</p>

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<p>wow, what an enlightened response (shakes head)</p>

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<p>what the hell are you talking about? i didn’t mean to say arabs are tribal, illiterate tent-dwellers. what i meant was 'he either has iranians confused with arabs OR tribal, tent-dwellers. i didn’t mean arabs are tent-dwellers. it came out wrong, sry.</p>

<p>how am i arguing? its called defense.</p>

<p>i’m defending all the hardworking iranian students who can’t defend themselves, when somebody is underestimating their academic capabilities. i’m not saying iranians are THE smartest, i’m saying they work as hard as any other country to get into US schools…</p>

<p>and to polite antagonis: just bc east asians outnumber iranians, doesn’t mean they are smarter in proportion to their own population. this isn’t about which country has more smart people, i could care less about eastern asia. i’m just talking about iran and im saying that the person who said ‘most iranians aren’t qualified’ is wrong.</p>

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<p>ilovecalifornia, maybe you should consider staying on the high school boards and off here. You seem to have a history of arguing and not knowing what you are talking about.
We’ll see if you even make the cut and can get into Berkeley. By the way, I am 1/2 Middle Eastern and take offense at your remark about “other Arab countries of tribal, illiterate, tent-dwellers.” I am a freshman admit at Cal, obviously I made the cut so I am obviously not illiterate.</p>

<p>NOW LOOKING BACK, CA2006. I just realized that you totally misquoted me. i never said "other arab countries of tribal, illiterate tent dwellers’</p>

<p>dont misquote people!</p>

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<p>ilovecalifornia,</p>

<p>While it is true that there are many well-educated Iranians, and that politics is probably the key to keeping most of them out of the US, I wouldn’t toot Iran’s horn all that much. Iran still has significant problems with illiteracy, as well as school funding. The “average” Iranian is probably not at the level of the “average” South Korean.</p>

<p>This is of course not disparaging the well-educated Iranian, who is surely comparable to any of the world’s educated elite. But the average in Iran is probably not quite at the level that you suggest.</p>

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<p>i can respect that, UCLAri.</p>

<p>its just that iranians aren’t as ‘unqualified’ as that first guy said they are. he was underestimating the number/quality of well-educated iranians. i’d say any student who can make it into a major iranian university has a good shot at berkeley. like its been stated, its all about politics.</p>