<p>Supposing I have a 3.93 UW, above average ECs including research entered into intel, and an above average, very interesting application essay, is a 2200 (700 CR, 730 M, 770 W) good enough for Penn, Brown, Northwestern, Stanford, Boston College, USC, NYU.</p>
<p>Considering You only have 1430 M+CR… thats not really good enough for Brown/Stanford/Penn. I would shoot for 1500+ (M/CR)</p>
<p>^All the schools except NYU look at the writing, so I don’t see why M+CR is more important than the M+CR+W.</p>
<p>GreedIsGood, I think it would be goood enough at Brown and Penn, but maybe not Stanford, particularly if he had really top class rank, leadership, awards, and recs.</p>
<p>Your test scores won’t stand out at the elite schools, but they’re plenty good enough to make them consider your application at any school you could apply to. Don’t stress out about them too much.</p>
<p>*All the schools except NYU look at the writing, so I don’t see why M+CR is more important than the M+CR+W. *</p>
<p>These other schools may look at writing, but that doesn’t mean that they weight it the same.</p>
<p>many schools are resisting looking at Writing with equal weight because it diminishes the importance of math…and many majors require calculus for graduation.</p>
<p>what ive heard is that there is an optimal score where adcoms stop considering the standardized testing and move on to other parts of the application. Is there a magic number?</p>
<p>I have heard that preference for M+CR, vs. M+CR+W, is “so 2007”. </p>
<p>That is, I think schools that didn’t weight the writing section heavily a couple of years ago…are now starting to. Partly due to the fact that now the writing section has been around for a while, plu some supporting evidence about the writing section and undergraduate success. Based on very anecdotal discussions with admissions officers; data would help confirm, of course, but it’s going to lag.</p>
<p>2200 is the same as a 33 act and I definitely believe this is enough.</p>
<p>^ You believe a 33 is enough only because that’s what you got.</p>
<p>Ok, look at EVERY 50% of EVERY college there is. If you can find a college that 33 doesn’t fall in the mid 50% I will say my 33 is garbage. Until then, I’m extremely happy a 33 and have seen plenty of white unhooked kids get into great colleges with it.</p>
<p>Anything above 2100 is “enough”. They don’t look at just the test scores, look at the stats of Brown right here: [Brown</a> Admission: Facts & Figures](<a href=“Undergraduate Admission | Brown University”>Undergraduate Admission | Brown University)</p>
<p>You guys should stop posting such posts. All you show is that you are not familiar with the admission processes. </p>
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33 is in the 99th percentile, that’s why. Also, a lot of people with 34+ get rejected from these schools, and a good number of people with scores <30 get accepted into these schools.</p>
<p>No college in the world will reject or waitlist you for having a 2200.</p>
<p>When it comes to schools like Stanford, Brown and Penn, there’s no such thing as an SAT score that is “good enough”. Rather, it’s “higher is better”. Are there students with 2200 scores who are admitted to these schools? Sure. But as shown by the Brown stats linked above, the admit rate is better for students scoring higher, and continues to improve all the way up to a perfect score. Demonstrating that there is no “threshold” level above which further improvement in the score doesn’t matter.</p>
<p>^What you’re essentially saying is that someone with a 2320 would always have a better chance than someone who has a 2250, or even a 2230 ceteris paribus. </p>
<p>Please stop spreading misinformation.</p>
<p>^^Actually, it’s about a lot more than your SAT and GPA. These schools routinely turn down kids with 2300-2400 SAT scores and 4.0 AP-loaded GPA’s in favor of interesting candidates who are either well-rounded, or well-lopsided (i.e. hooked).</p>
<p>It’s true that college admissions is about more than SATs and grades. And it’s true that students with lower SATs and grades may be admitted ahead of students with higher SATs and grades because of other factors. But to deny the significant statistical correlation between SATs and grades and admissions rate is simply to bury one’s head in the sand. It’s obviously not valid to apply the statistical correlation to make a definitive prediction for a sample size of one - i.e., in any individual case the person with the higher SAT score won’t necessarily be the person admitted. But across the entire applicant pool, the odds increase as the SAT score goes up. And for the top schools this continues to be true all the way up to perfect scores. There is no magic threshold above which it doesn’t matter. Like it or not, those are the facts. (And fwiw, I don’t like it - I think it’s absurd that one three-hour test has the weight it has in college admissions.)</p>
<p>I have a 2190 and am about to ask my college counselor his opinion… I’ll definitely post back.
My CR + M is a 1470.
Do you guys think I should take it again for RD? I believe I could increase my writing score which was only a 720. What if I did worse on a certain section? Would that hurt me for schools that don’t have score choice/don’t superscore?
I am shooting for Ivies as well.</p>
<p>^I’m pretty sure that many of the people on here know more about admissions than your counselor does; though, he would probably be more helpful to you specifically (seeing as how he knows you on a personal level). </p>
<p>To answer your question, I know someone with your EXACT same scores (same breakdown of scores, too) who was admitted to both Brown and Columbia as part of the class of 2014. Deduce from that what you will.</p>
<p>should I send a SAT of 2200 (770 M 730 R 700 W) or 33 ACT (28 Sci)</p>