<p>Hmmm, so the satellite facilities are affiliated with that MN med school? I am assuming they are teaching hospitals as well. Apologies if this sounds dumb- I really don’t know for sure about the satellite Mayos.</p>
<p>I have been trying to get through Preston & Child book series and last one I read was about an archaeology expedition in Utah called Riptide. One of the people on that trip is considered a coprolite expert. So I beat Bovertine in looking up that word by a month.</p>
<p>At what point does this thread get into Haikus and limerics?</p>
<h1>557…absolutely not true, and probably no field where there is a stronger correlation…even though in the post the point was to get from local to major medical center (with no reference to “lesser” major medical centers…i.e. in NM you want UNM Medical Center).</h1>
<p>finalchild, I think you might have mistyped your attribution above…unless I am missing something.</p>
<p>10 greenies for you, texas, for a coprolite haiku (that sounds wrong, but you know what I mean)</p>
<p>If I’m in a town in New Mexico I want to get to Univ of NM Medical Center. But, in general, like if I have a serious, complex heart problem, I want to go to BCTHM…Boston, Cleveland, Toronto, Houston, Minneapolis. And in a pinch, I’ll take NYC, Chicago, Hopkins, Duke, etc. In the universe I live in medical centers aren’t “flat” in terms of prestige/expertise.</p>
<p>Sorry sally, yes, I meant #556.</p>
<p>Just coming back after a few hours off, to remark that Hunt’s explanation of the proposed university policy on readability (keep it to grade 11 reading level, #463, #464) was charitable, but not right, actually. I could see writing things at grade level 11 for the general public–and for high school students who might be considering applying at some point in the future.</p>
<p>However, the policy as first was intended to apply to all web pages, which would include such things as class notes posted on the web. For any class. Including the graduate classes I teach. I have noticed. That sentence fragments. Reduce the apparent. Reading level. Permitting compliance. With the policy.</p>
<p>Ditto in response to ucbalumnus, who chimed in with a very similar charitable assumption about the reading-level policy–fortunately stopped before it could be issued, but very seriously under discussion, and about to become an edict.</p>
<p>Although rarely on this thread he’s seen
In pops coureur our jeopardy champ-een
His gentle words guide us
As he wordplays “detritus”
Which is easily cured by dentine</p>
<p>Final child, what “prestigious university” in Cleveland is the Cleveland Clinic associated with? </p>
<p>I didn’t say there weren’t prestigious medical centers. My point is that they can be prestigious but not necessarily affiliated with prestigious universities.</p>
<p>There is a partnership now between the Cleveland Clinic and the Lerner College of Medicine at Case Western Reserve University.</p>
<p>US News ranks Case Western Reserve University at #37 among national universities:
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<p>The partnership seems to be relatively new. Case has suffered somewhat from its location, I think. People who draw the line for “prestigious” at HYPSM+C would not consider it prestigious, nor would people who are looking for the top 25. Even though US News has multiple categories, I think there is a reasonable argument for Case being in the top 100.</p>
<p>The affiliation with the Cleveland Clinic is likely to help Case draw quite a few more top students.</p>
<p>I don’t believe I referenced “prestigious” universities or prestigious medical centers in that post. I referenced major medical centers. It just happened that I mentioned some that are university-based. That said, I would consider Cleveland Clinic to be an “academic” major medical center.</p>
<p>The point was by analogy…that many of us in a medical crisis/mystery would desire to get ourselves or our loved one to a highly reputable major medical center as opposed to your local hospital.</p>
<p>And that said, what did you mean, then, by “flat” in terms of prestige?</p>
<p>" Medicine is a very “flat” field with respect to prestige. "</p>
<p>I don’t think medicine is “flat” in terms of prestige. To prove or disprove this, all one would need to do is to see where the med students at Johns Hopkins and Harvard are applying for their residencies, and how the students react on match day.</p>
<p>Interesting discussion going on…
Why is it difficult for people to understand that the level of students who are in the classroom effects the kind of instruction received? I thought it is a given. I see it where I work- a lot of kids pushed into AP/IB classes who are not prepared has an effect on the kind of teaching that can take place in that class. So in that regard, it makes sense to go to a good school if you are academically prepared. I work in a high school and teach seniors, I know who goes to which type of school. I think most of the time students with similar abilities/strength end up in similar schools. There are often variations and exceptions but generally they end up where they fit the most. In between some families choose UMass Lowell for engineering over WPI for monetary reasons, or U Mass Amherst over UPitt( for instate tuitions). Very rarely someone who got into a highly ranked school turn it down for a local state school, because often their needs are met. (Pardon my content’s reading level/vocabulary . I went to no name vernacular medium school in a third world country but (somehow) got a job teaching math in high school)</p>
<p>“Flat” might mean that the best medical center in Boston does not do significantly better or different work than the best medical center in LA, SF, Houston, St. Louis, Chicago, Miami, DC, Milwaukee etc. The knowledge is shared and applied pretty much equally well at numerous medical centers across the country. That said, the best medical center in each city may be better in some ways than local suburban hospital, but not in all ways all the time. USNWR has everyone glued to rankings, but in medicine it’s different. It’s the residency that matters more than the medical school in terms of producing good docs and the USNWR rankings seem based more on research than clinical outcomes, and clinical outcomes are what any patient desiring good care should be looking into. This is not to say that any of the top places are bad hospitals. Harvard, just for example, is great at many things and always associated with “prestige” but U of Wash in Seattle and Iowa might be better for ortho, UA Birmingham and UCSF for radiology, Arizona Barrow for neuro, Wash U or U Wash for medicine, etc. I have 3 partners who trained at Harvard who thought it was interesting but sort of disliked it – they are great and could have stayed, but refer to it as “preparation H”. I have helped train 2 people who are on staff at Harvard - one very special doctor and the other one of the worst we’ve had. I don’t think many people who know medicine would argue with the concept of “flat”. I suspect a lot of academics is actually this way-- great people doing really good work at a lot of places that aren’t so much on the CC radar.</p>
<p>Starsky: that’s exactly my experience in my field of academics: most of the best-known (in the field) authorities are teaching at completely off-radar schools. This is why I don’t argue that the teachers are necessarily better at higher-ranked schools; from what I hear, students vary far more than teaching does. (Which does not mean that the considerations of class size and lecture-pitching I mentioned earlier do not affect teaching, but only that the teachers themselves are just as well-educated and devoted to teaching as their peers at other institutions).</p>
<p>There are outstanding physicians all over the country. That wasn’t the issue. If I have a serious problem, and if I have choice, I’m going to get my wife or kid to Mass General, Brigham and Womens, et al vs the local suburban hospital. Do you want your kid to have a relatively infrequent procedure done where they do 5-6 a year or 500-1000 a year. If you want to argue that everything is flat, including colleges in general, that’s fine…but the medical hierachy, in terms of med school admissions, residency placement, and most desirable residency programs/sites doesn’t differ from how the college process works in terms of less selective, more selective, most selective. The fact that Harvard Med or Harvard-affiliated hospitals might turn out a jerk of a doctor or a poor doctor once in a while is pretty irrelevant.</p>
<p>I don’t understand how your analogy works, finalchild. Especially when “selectivity” is not a legitimate proxy for quality.</p>
<p>Sorry if I’m not being careful enough with the exact words. I’m just giving my opinion. In general, Harvard med is going to much tougher to get in, result in the most coveted residency programs, and produce better trained physicians than East Carolina University med school. A statement was made that the medical field is “flat.” I don’t agree. And of course no one has to agree with me. I personally don’t see how there could even be a debate.</p>