<p>I said a “chance” , and a “better chance” . Perhaps your “chance” has a higher probability than mine? </p>
<p>I can not understand the meaning of “the cake”. I get confused with the french terminology and the collocquial American</p>
<p>[Talking</a> Points Memo | Bill Moyers on the Background to the Hillary Quote](<a href=“http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/064146.php]Talking”>http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/064146.php)</p>
<p>^^^excellent. And more important than the Clinton-Obama flap.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
<p>Moyers is my favorite reporter. Isn’t it true that Obama is not a ‘native’ African American. I read somewhere that his father is from Kenya. If true than it is bit disingenuous on Obama’s part to use is skin color to align himself with racial inequalities of the past.</p>
<p>Simba, I’m glad you enjoyed the video. I enjoy Moyer’s, too. But if the message of the video is, “We must transcend race and color”, does it really matter
the exactness of Obama’s origin?</p>
<p>No it should not. But when Obama supporters/surrogates tried to make that an issue, I thought wait a min. Let us do a reality check. Clintons through their actions and policies have always championed for blacks. You can call them anything you like, but to call them racists is just absurd.</p>
<p>[American</a> Thinker: Hillary’s Oedipal Problem](<a href=“http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/01/hillarys_oedipal_problem.html]American”>Hillary's Oedipal Problem - American Thinker)</p>
<p>Simba, yes his father was Kenyan, but this is what I saw as the significance of the video
I posted. Perhaps the Hillary thread was the wrong place to put it.</p>
<p>I recently saw the movie The Great Debaters. Though part fiction, it is based on a true
story that occurred in the 1930’s. I think the Supreme Court is now reviewing the lynching
of Emmet Tibbs in 1955. Now, people are dealing with the immigration issue, which is so
similar to how African Americans, Jews and other minorities have been treated throughout
history. The Bill Moyer’s video is mainly about the Civil Rights Movement, and that the
Civil Rights Act was passed in 1965. LBJ was President and worked with MLK.</p>
<p>It also brought to mind his recent PBS special about the role of the media following 9/11.
There have also been other discussions in the media about how Al Gore was misrepre**-
sented by the media, and the effect on the election outcomes.</p>
<p>Conservatives and NYT haters will notice that Bill Moyer’s twice mentions the inaccurate
reporting of the NYT and that they are the only media who did not retract or apologize for
the inaccurate reporting of this media event.</p>
<p>Since I am referencing a video a few posts back, here is the link again.</p>
<p>[Talking</a> Points Memo | Bill Moyers on the Background to the Hillary Quote](<a href=“http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/064146.php]Talking”>http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/064146.php)</p>
<p>seiclan: sounds better than any of the republican presidencies. You sure they think. American ■■■■■■■ might be more appropriate.</p>
<p>Major outlets are projecting her a winner in Nevada. She is like energizer bunny. No matter how much people in media despise her. She keeps going.</p>
<p>This was posted by one of the blogger," Note to media:The more you shove Obama down our throats, the more we will reject him."</p>
<p>Watch out republicans here she comes.</p>
<p>I really don’t understand all this hate for Hillary. It seems the media has conspired to go negative on her, and its backfiring seriously. </p>
<p>After all these years of facing the hate machine she is still standing. </p>
<p>Go Hillary.</p>
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<p>Not your finest moment, Sim!</p>
<p>I’d like to believe that the American people can think on their own, but that’s obviously wishful thinking. I agree the media has had tremendous influence over these primaries, thus far. They completely ignored Edwards (check out the very funny video/parody on his website making note of this), insisting that this was a two-person race (even after he came in 2nd in Iowa) from the get-go. We’re like pod people-- if the media doesn’t tell us who to vote for, then we have no idea what to do. I agree, though, that they went too far with “shoving Obama down our throats” and going negative on Hillary. That definitely backfired on them. Then again, I’ve always said-- as the field gets smaller, Obama’s weaknesses wil become more evident. His recent comments about the Reagan years and the Republican Party sure didn’t help him any.</p>
<p>Well McCain won South Carolina where he got savage by Rove and W eight years ago. Hillary has so many negatives that if McCain ends up the nominee for the Republicans, he will beat her. He will win the socalled Reagan Democrats.</p>
<p>I’m a Democrat and support Obama who is a visionary like Reagan. With the dirty politics over the past two weeks by Bill and Hill, I most likely will stay home in the November.</p>
<p>Well, I’ll be voting for any Democrat over a Republican, and certainly over McCain. If McCain wins the Republican nomination (which is still up for grabs) and ultimately the presidency, we can expect to stay fully entrenched in Iraq, daily squandering billions and losing lives. Neither Hillary nor Obama can beat McCain on a ticket, sadly.</p>
<p>“I really don’t understand all this hate for Hillary. It seems the media has conspired to go negative on her,”</p>
<p>Well many media talking heads believe that people should listen to them. When they don’t they turn up their volume, thump their chests. Thinking that louder they bark, more will listen.</p>
<p>Well, some like Chris Mathews had to apologize when they thump too hard.</p>
<p>"Those are the meaningful distinctions in the Democratic field, not Mrs. Clintons spurious claim to 35 years of experience. The Democrats with the greatest Washington expertise Joe Biden, Chris Dodd and Bill Richardson have already been driven from the race. And the presidential candidate left standing with the greatest experience by far is Mr. McCain; if Mrs. Clinton believes thats the criterion for selecting the next president, she might consider backing him.</p>
<p>To put it another way, think which politician is most experienced today in the classic sense, and thus according to the experience camp best qualified to become the next president.</p>
<p>Thats Dick Cheney. And I rest my case."</p>
<p>Kristoff, NYT, 1/20/2008</p>
<p>I’m with you, Hondu. And I loved the Kristoff piece in the Times this morning - thanks for the reference, wasj. Hillary and Bill are employing shameless tactics. They may get the nomination…but at a huge cost to their reputation. What lowlifes they are. Obama could beat McCain. Not Hillary. That’s what I think, anyway.</p>
<p>Simba:</p>
<p>As a supporter of Hillary, would you spell out all this experience that Hillary has?</p>
<p>I don’t hate Hillary and as I have stated, I voted for Bill twice. But I don’t like their dirty tactics. The type of stuff they are doing, I expect from Republicans.</p>
<p>Do people really want Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton?</p>
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<p>No, not everybody wants that. I’d like John Edwards, but I’ll vote for the Democrat who ultimately wins the nomination-- whether that’s Edwards, Obama, or Clinton. This country can’t afford another Republican in office, and most definitely not John McCain, who will keep us in this war forever.</p>