Is it even worth still applying to these schools with my test scores?

<p>Penn, Cornell, Dartmouth, Northwestern, Vanderbilt</p>

<p>SAT I
1st: 1300/1900
2nd: 1380/2140
3rd: 1350/2070</p>

<p>ACT
1st: 30
2nd: 31</p>

<p>SAT II
Math 1: 690
Lit: 630</p>

<p>Really thought I’d have 1450 on the third sitting of the SAT, I don’t know what happened, when I took it I thought I did way better. Anyways…Is there even a hope? My other stuff is all good.</p>

<p>3.7/4.8 GPA (UW/W).
Very rigorous courseload.
Top 2% of 6350 students.
Pretty good essays and recs.
Pretty good ECs.
1st generation.</p>

<p>I just don’t know if I should spend all the money for sending scores and app stuff though. It feels like I never see anyone with these sorts of test scores (at least, from what I’ve seen here), accepted.</p>

<p>Oh and I know that these scores aren’t “bad,” so before anyone says I’m looking for attention, I just know that these aren’t very good for where I’m applying to.</p>

<p>Your second SAT is ok for top schools.</p>

<p>Your rank is very good! (??? how can there be over 6000 in your senior class? )</p>

<p>Do you have any advantages…such as being from an unusual state? If you’re from Calif or the NE, then I’d say your chances are low…just because those areas apply heavy to elites and they often have super stats. Are you Asian? If so, that may hurt you.</p>

<p>If these apps will be easy to do, then just do them to see what happens so that you’ll always know.</p>

<p>However, if time is an issue, then pick 2-3 and apply…you may get lucky</p>

<p>Where else are you applying?</p>

<p>I am from Florida. My school, or rather county, goes on a county percentile rank system…I go to academically , the best school in the county, and have taken difficult courses (IB and AP) and gotten all A’s and B’s.
I am white, so I guess that’s not a help or a hindrance.</p>

<p>And I’m more or less done with the apps, I’ll have to get some people to proofread my essays and need to do 2 of the supplement essays, but besides that I’m ready to submit them. Transcript is already there too. I’m just asking because I would probably need to send the score reports today/tomorrow.</p>

<p>And the second one is OK, but none of those schools accept score choice.</p>

<p>I applied to UF, and was accepted at USF. Might apply to FSU just in case.</p>

<p>Ok…you’re from Florida… You’ll get Bright Futures…good for you! Is cost an issue for any of your schools?</p>

<p>Yes, submit an app to FSU as well. </p>

<p>Are you not applying to any OOS schools other than elites? If so, why?</p>

<p>Have you visited UF and FSU? If not, you should. </p>

<p>what is your major?</p>

<p>Economics.</p>

<p>I have visited both FSU and UF, I am fine with them both and feel as if my stats would get me into at least one, preferably UF.</p>

<p>Cost is an issue for all my schools but all 5 of those meet full financial need w/o loans. For the in-state, Bright Futures covers most and then I can get other money for what isn’t covered. I wouldn’t expect my EFC to be much though, my parents make around 35K.</p>

<p>I can’t really think of any OOS that meet 100% demonstrated need and have very good econ departments. Maybe CMC or BC, but I feel as if I’d rather stay in-state if I didn’t make it into any of the 5. Furthermore, if I don’t get into UF/FSU, I’d return to Switzerland and attend ETH Zurich and would be perfectly alright with that.</p>

<p>Strike – what is your SAT superscore? Even though Score Choice may not be permitted by your schools, they will all superscore and use superscored CR+M or CR+M+W in the admissions discussion.</p>

<p>1st Generation is a BIG DEAL to lots of schools. make sure that aspect is fleshed out in your essays or elsewhere. That is about a 50% URM status.</p>

<p>Thanks for the help…Unfortunately, my superscore is just my second sitting…1380/2140.
I will make a note of the 1st gen hook in my main essay, that I’m finishing up today/tomorrow.</p>

<p>There are many very good LACs with strong Econ departments that meet full need. I would really encourage you to add a few to your list. Going OOS can be a life changing experience.</p>

<p>I’d look at Bates, Vassar, Colby, Colgate, Trinity CT, and maybe add another U like Emory or USC.</p>

<p>Thanks, I’ll look into it.</p>

<p>Any other opinions? Can I get into an Ivy with these test scores?</p>

<p>It’s statistically unlikely, but stranger things have happened.</p>

<p>to answer your original question, your SAT 1380 or ACT 31 will be under the midpoint for all those you listed, with Vandy being the one where your 31 is closest to midpoint but still under it.</p>

<p>However, your top 2% class rank is right in the ballpark for all the schools.</p>

<p>I believe your 1st Gen status will overcome your 31 ACT to put you right in the middle of the applicant pack. At that point, the adcom will have to decide if your ECs, essays, and letters of rec tell them that you would be a desired addition to their campus. I would say 50/50 for Vandy, 30% for Cornell and Penn (the largest Ivies) along with NU, and 20% for Dartmouth, due to its smaller class size.</p>

<p>Very helpful, thanks.
I think my best shot might be at Cornell because my essay (supplement) for the CALS (I want to do the AEM major) is very relative and involves a former Cornell grad. My CAS supplement (alternate) is decent, too. Just hoping I can get into one or two of these.</p>

<p>though chances are not great, my advice would be to pick one of your reaches and apply there; especially if it is your dream school; if you don’t apply to any you’ll always be wondering if you might have gotten in!</p>

<p>If you are really interested in these reaches, don’t just pick one of them–apply to all of them. You can’t predict which one might be interested in you. I think you have a pretty high hurdle with all of these–although your rank is good, a 3.7 unweighted GPA isn’t super for these schools. Also, it matters what you mean by “pretty good ECs.”</p>

<p>You have good backups in the Florida schools. If you’re happy with them, then you have a sensible strategy. There are also schools elsewhere that are similar to your reaches, but that aren’t as selective.</p>

<p>I agree with going ahead and applying to the reaches to see what happens. The student has really good backups in his home state because of Bright Futures, Pell Grants, and other aid. (be sure to submit FAFSA as soon as you can to get the best aid from Florida schools).</p>

<p>I would NOT suggest going to school in your home country because your family lives in Florida and your family is low income. That means it will be very hard for them to pay to fly you back and forth for holidays and summer. Having a child overseas is expensive.</p>

<p>I agree the flying would be expensive, but school there is essentially free for me, and I can live with friends if I wanted too.
I think I’ll apply to all of these though, thanks everyone.</p>

<p>I think you have a reasonable change at Cornell CALS (better odds than CAS or Engineering) and Vandy. Penn, Dartmouth, and Northwestern seem like longshots unless your essays and/or ECs are drop-dead brilliant. Florida publics are a good fallback, but my question would be, why only reaches and safeties? I think you could find some “match” schools that are both need-blind and offer to meet 100% of need.</p>

<p>Adding onto what 2college2college said, I’d also look into LACs. Many LACs have very strong economics programs that go unnoticed to the masses due to their overall quality in most of their programs (excluding the arts, generally). Ivy leagues certainly do not have the top undergraduate education, so don’t obsess too much over them.</p>

<p>You will be accepted to UF and FSU. I don’t understand why Florida kids (I am from Florida, but the only in-state school I applied to was New College) get so worried over whether or not they will be accepted into state schools. As long as your academic record isn’t garbage and your test scores are reasonably high, you will be accepted. With a student both of 40-50k and many applicants with horrible transcripts, the chances of you in specific getting accepted to every state school is pretty much guaranteed.</p>

<p>Yeah, I’m pretty confident I’ll get in to UF/FSU to be honest. The only thing that makes me unsure about it is that I’ve read at a few different places that they can’t take TOO many kids with really good SATs, GPAs, etc, because it skews their averages, and makes it tougher to recruit athletes.</p>

<p>Speaking of safeties, I actually just got a letter yesterday from Fordham, with one of those streamlined/fee waiver apps…Would this happen to fit the criteria you guys are mentioning regarding a good match? Do they meet all demonstrated need? I know that their econ program is very, very good.</p>

<p>Thanks in advance.</p>