<p>Today my S was coming home from an overnight at the shore with a friend who was driving. Since they had just graduated, the friends car was decorated with congrats, 2011 and a few other things, so it was obviously a recent graduate driving. An officer passed them going the opposite direction and turned around and pulled them over. They were not speeding, and the officer had not clocked them, he just said it looked like you might have been going a little fast. He took the drivers info, but then asked my S for his ID too. I just wondered since he wasn’t the driver if it was normal or for what purpose the passengers ID would also be requested. They obviously were nice, and polite and had not done anything wrong, and the officer was very nice to them and gave the driver a warning, but I just thought it was unusual for the passengers ID to be taken too.</p>
<p>It’s normal.</p>
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<p>I agree, it is standard procedure.</p>
<p>I have been a passenger in the car numerous times when my husband has been stopped. I have never been asked for ID.</p>
<p>I don’t think it’s normal but perhaps it’s not that unusual either - at least according to the shows I’ve seen on Cops. It probably depends on the circumstances and the individuals in the car at the time.</p>
<p>I can accept it if it’s SOP, but why? Because they might be a wanted criminal? Does the officer run their information quickly to see if they are connected to any other outstanding crime? If so I get it. If he just looks and it and hands it back that’s intimidation for no other reason. They can do what they want I guess, but I’m wondering if they are doing anything with the ID’s.</p>
<p>That always happens to me when I am with friends (I am 22), it’s happened four or five times-- I’ve only been with friends that have been pulled over once but cops accost young people all the time just to check on things, it seems. If I am with my parents, they do not ask for the passenger ID. I think it’s standard procedure with young people. My guess is that if they aren’t running them they are checking birth dates to see if any other questions need to be asked to make sure nothing funny is going on.</p>
<p>My reason for thinking that is that I’ve actually been asked to get out of the car before as a passenger because I was with a male friend of mine very late at night and he was doing all the talking, and the cop wanted to talk to me privately to make sure I was there of my own volition. I didn’t mind. As a young woman I am glad that they notice these kinds of things.</p>
<p>That’s a good question, and the corollary is, does the passenger have to show it? I believe “no”. A driver does, but a person not suspected of a crime does not, I believe (just like police can’t simply walk up to everyone on the street and demand ID).</p>
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<p>That’s what I am guessing. The cop wants to prolong the contact to see if anyone gets “hinky.”</p>
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That could be the crux of it many times - checking to see if the person’s a minor and if so, what they’re doing in the car at x location at y time of night riding with z.</p>
<p>Does your jurisdiction have a curfew, parentofpeople?</p>
<p>garland, just because you believe it doesn’t make it so. An officer can stop anyone and ask them for ID, they just need to be able to articulate why they stopped them and it need not be criminal in nature. The majority of those who refuse to identify themselves are usually the same who challenge any type of authority and some have something to hide. Police are paid to be nosy.</p>
<p>Just because you believe that doesn’t make it so. Police cannot demand an ID unless they have a “reasonable suspicion” to suspect you are involved in criminal activity, which is also necessary in order to detain you. So you can ask–am I being detained or am I free to go? and if the latter, you don’t have to show ID. Being young is not a justification for a reasonable suspicion.</p>
<p>Isn’t the Constitution grand?</p>
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<p>This was at 8:00 in the morning. They had stayed at a friends house the night before and drove home in the morning because they both had to get back early for other events. The driver (actually both of them) were over 18 so there are no driving restrictions on them anyway.</p>
<p>My S did wonder why he wanted his ID and what would happen if he said no, but he didn’t wonder enough to cause a problem or get his friend a ticket. The officer could tell they weren’t hiding anything and were good kids once he started talking to them and they had a nice conversation etc. He just wondered why he was being asked.</p>
<p>I also have been in a car when someone else was stopped and never was asked for ID so I guess it is just a thing they do for kids.</p>
<p>My d was pulled over 10-12 times in one particular township (age 18 to about 21)when she was out early in the a.m… The cops always made an excuse…you were swerving, you threw a bottle out the window etc. Never asked for anyone elses ID. never charged her with anything. Always asking to smell water bottles etc. It was profiling at its worst. She was never doing anything wrong. It has made her very untrusting of the police.</p>
<p>Honestly, they can do/say anything they want to. Best to be contrite and do as you are told. However I would never let a cop search my car.</p>
<p>Whether they CAN ask passengers for ID or not, it sounds like if everyone in the car is a “young person,” they ARE asking. Not sure what would happen if the person doesn’t happen to have ID on him/her (as my D often doesn’t have any ID with her and looks VERY young). If they don’t have grounds to detain or arrest anyone, it might just get uncomfortable but ultimately the people should be free to continue along the way. When I’ve ever been a passenger OR driver, only the driver has ever been asked by officers for ID. Often the others in the cars I’ve ridden may not even have ID on them or at least it may not be handy.</p>
<p>You might want to look at the “stop and identify” laws in your state. </p>
<p>A number of states have laws where the police can detain any one and ask him to identify himself under circumstances which "reasonably indicate that the person has committed, is committing or is about to commit a crime”. (Language from the Nevada statute) In turn, the law may require the person detained to “identify himself”, but does not compel the person to answer any other questions put to him by the officer. (Wiki article on Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada–hey, quick and dirty research)</p>
<p>I haven’t googled to see what has happened in this area of the law since the Supreme Court case in 2004, but this should be enough for anyone to start any research on the issue within his or her state.</p>
<p>Or you can just show the officer your driver’s license when asked…</p>
<p>This happened to me and a friend recently, in a situation where there was absolutely no justification. I was driving, friend was passenger. I am in my 50s and my friend is older. In my opinion the cop had no right to ask for his ID. If it happens again, I will refuse to provide it. I consider it to be abuse of authority.</p>
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<p>Sax, around which parameters do you believe your D was being profiled? A profile of criminal suspicion usually involves very specific characteristics—race/ethnicity, behavior, dress, age, sex, or any particular combination of characteristics that cause law enforcement to become suspicious. What, in other words, do you believe comprised your D’s “profile”, such that she would be stopped so routinely in that particular town?</p>
<p>I don’t know maybe I am naive but I have told all of my kids that if they should ever get stopped they are to always be polite, respectful and provide whatever information they have been asked. I would think if they wanted to search my kids car than they would have a good reason to do so. Why would an officer want to search their car unless they smelled something or suspected that their could be something in the car. If you have nothing to hide and are acting appropriately than police are there to protect us. If kids are acting like idiots, blaring music and not appearing like they are paying attention than they are are doing their job to give a little scare to the young drivers…make them think about their actions behind the wheel.</p>
<p>By the way all of my kids have been pulled over for either a violation or a late night pullover. I am grateful that police do this because I have noticed that my kids no longer have a heavy foot on the pedal.</p>