Is it too early to whine about the holidays?

I am giddy knowing that my daughter & son-in-law offered to host Thanksgiving this year! My SIL loves to cook and is great at it. I’ve been preparing Thanksgiving by myself for SO many years. It’s been stressful for me to have to prepare and coordinate so many dishes to be ready & hot at the same time - I rarely ever eat any of it. And don’t forget the desserts! On the rare year where someone else takes the reins and I can actually eat and enjoy it? Priceless!

D & SIL will be at his family’s house for Christmas Eve/Christmas Day, so for my husband, younger D and I (and probably younger D’s boyfriend at some point), it’s out to eat for Christmas Eve and a much simpler Christmas Day dinner. :+1:

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Seems like many people have deep nostalgia for the “White Christmas” experience…

Just putting it out there- the song was written by Irving Berlin, a Jewish immigrant, who not only had no memories of an idyllic Christmas with his family- had zero memories of ANY Christmas. The song debuted right after the attack on Pearl Harbor when the country was feeling justified anxiety. And was either written in a hotel in California or Arizona (accounts vary)- not in a snowy and placid wonderland.

So for anyone feeling bad that they aren’t curating the “perfect” holiday experience- it’s fictional. Which is probably why the song became such a huge hit. Don’t like your own family of origin much- or you like them but only in small doses? Berlin’s description of the glistening and the love and the warmth is so much better than any reality, right? And think of families getting ready to pack their kids off to war-- the members of my family who served were teenagers, for gods sake. Who probably couldn’t find Japan on a map if they had to. Read the accounts of the soldiers who survived D-Day. Poorly trained, unprepared, but ready to give their lives to save democracy. No wonder the country yearned for a day writing Christmas cards and sleigh bells…

Just some perspective…

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Reading these threads makes me glad in some ways that we are the family pariahs (basically for actually standing up for ourselves, long, involved story I wouldn’t put on anyone), that our holidays (my own little family) was our own, with maybe friends doing things together.

The thing with adult children is realizing that that relationship changes over time, it is something we see playing out with our son. In their 20’s, you can of have to be the person willing to be listen but not saying much, letting them live their lives but also letting them know you are still there for them (and I apologize, this is digressing a bit, but I think it is important to this thread). In their late 20’s on it changes again from what I can see, suddenly they may actually a)want to be around you and b) will suddenly ask for your advice. I think the same process governs with them holidays, they want to be in control and don’t want to feel like they ‘have to’ do something.

In our case it isn’t family, it is that our son is a classical musician and he and his group are on the go, so he has very limited time to be with us. One thing I strongly feel is as a parent, if you push seeing them , remind them, it could backfire. With our son, maybe because he never felt pressure from us with holidays, he had to cancel more than a few times, he got sick, was exhausted from touring, and as disappointing as it could be for us he knew we understood. As a result I think when he does get time to share with us, he doesn’t feel it is an obligation like I used to think about family holiday stuff, he sees it actually as relaxing (I can understand that one; when they aren’t traveling, their rehearsal schedule is like 7 days a week,6-7 hours a day). That we are homebodies helps, he could call us up, and say “hey, is it okay if I stay there X day overnight” and we are just happy to see him. These days it also extends to his group, who have kind of become like family, and given they have performances within driving distance of our house, means we see them (and they don’t have to worry about accomodations or have an easier time where they perform here, there and everywhere over the span of a few days). They know they are welcome, and that we give them their space when they are here and enjoy having them.

And of course, with all of this YMMV, kids are different, they have different needs. Still, given that, I think the biggest gift we can give them as parents is recognize they may be different than us, make choices we wouldn’t, and give them what I call agency in the relationship. It isn’t easy, because of course we want to see them, and there is enough in the parent in us to want them to still be that kid they once were. For us as parents it wasn’t easy, because we grew up so differently, especially in my dysfunctional family of origin, but all I can say is I am just happy that with our son, what we did seemed to work, he keeps in touch with us via text, shares the meals they are eating (food is important to him and his group, not surprisingly they may be the only group named after a chef! lol), and shares his life and seems to enjoy what time he can give us.

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Thought of this thread today – S1, S2, FDiL and DiL are trying to figure out what to do for either Thanksgiving or Christmas. They only see each other maybe once or twice a year (they are 1K+ miles apart; we are in the middle). I see them trying to make this work, I see no way it won’t be a huge pain for somebody. The days off problem. The travel costs. The dog. The work schedules. The desire to host. Our desire to not make it any harder than it already is. Their desire to get along while ALSO feeling chippy about who is and is not asking too much. I have started advocating for everyone to stay home! This is also Not The Right Choice. Add in the weather (one set lives where winter is 9 months a year) and I just would rather spend a whole week together in the summer than 48 hectic hours arranged at great cost. But what good mother says all that? This is their first calendar year so far from each other and they are homesick and overprotective. I told them again today, it will take time to get the hang of this, be patient with each other and don’t get stuck on expectations. DH said philosophically, well, surely one of the grandparents will have a medical emergency that blows everything out of the water anyway…

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The past couple years we’ve stopped the annual pilgrimage to my dad’s, because S1 has invited us to visit him and partner in CA. He invites us – we hop on a plane. (Last December was also our 40th anniversary, so we took a trip out west and then went to S1’s.) Dad expects 18 of us to sleep on the furniture at his house, but is offended if we get a hotel.

I go down to GA a couple times a year anyway, and because I do that solo, I make a big loop and also see my sibs in other states. It’s easier for me to travel to them than to expect nieces and nephews with growing families to schlep to my dad’s. It’s also a lot more fun, as I can see the kids’ baseball games, hang out and not feel like we have to cram XXX into three days.

I don’t expect Dad’s house will be rebuilt in the next two months, so there’s also that.

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I hear you on that☹️. There were over 20 of us who went to my in-laws for a number of years during a week in the summer…sort of a revolving door, but everyone was “expected” to be there over the weekend. We finally said we would be there but would be staying at a hotel. We got a LOT of push back from siblings, but funny…when we were checking into the hotel, three of the siblings were right behind us checking in.

The cousins had a blast in the game room. There was popcorn and cookies for snacks. The breakfast was really good (and we didn’t have to cook or wash dishes). But the best part was each family had their own bathroom, and a couple of real beds. No bunk beds!

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Because my cousin and family, who have hosted every family event for years since my aunt could no longer do so, decided to do something else for Thanksgiving, I am asking around to see if anyone can add me to their holiday table. I’m sure I’ll wind up with some offers but I will miss the wonderful camaraderie of our very small family, most of whom live in the Boston area.

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Learned yesterday evening that the AIL & UIL I mentioned earlier in this thread are now pretty much livin’ in a van down by the river…as of the start of this month.

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AIL’s brother has power of attorney over their 90 yr old dementia-ridden mother’s affairs and for the past 3-4 years, AIL & UIL have been living out of a spare bedroom at the mom’s house. Originally under the pretense of helping the elderly mother out, but for the past 2 yr, AIL & UIL haven’t done anything anymore to help the elderly mother. And Power Of Attorney Brother has brought in 24x7 outside help for the elderly mother.

Power Of Attorney has evicted AIL & UIL from the house. Some yelling and name calling allegedly occurred. And Power Of Attorney Brother + Other Brother are now barely speaking to AIL + 1 of her 2 sisters. A 2nd sister is wisely remaining out of the family feud.

Are AIL & UIL financially destitute? Absolutely not. They’re just cheap.

The way they tell this tale, you’d think that they are the victims in this whole affair. They are paying $1200/month to rent a camping spot in an RV camp ground near the ocean in southern CA for the next 4 months (staying in their large camper van, the 2 of them + 1 cat) while they decide what they want to do next.

Meanwhile, they left a bunch of their stuff at the 90 yr old mother’s house and Power Of Attorney Brother wants the stuff gone. AIL & UIL refuse to do anything about it & are upset that Power Of Attorney Brother is mad at them.

This Thanksgiving, SIL will invite AIL & UIL to her house, but AIL & UIL will, like always, say that they have other plans because “it could be AIL’s mother’s last holiday season, so we’re getting together with all of her siblings.” The day before Thanksgiving, those plans will totally fall apart because Power Of Attorney Brother + Other Brother don’t want anything to do w/AIL & UIL, and AIL & UIL will ask last minute to join SIL after all…after which, SIL will tell them what time dinner’s being served and then AIL & UIL will show up about 2 hours after that.

Meanwhile, at our house, we are going to avoid all of that and have a chill Thanksgiving.

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This is where I could see this going in my family. My kids adore each other, but they also only see each other once of twice a year.

Ds1 has a house and he and his wife are better off than unmarried ds2. They talk about having kids in a couple of years, which would make travel that much more difficult. As it is, they have two dogs who would require a pet sitter. I bet ds1 would be happy and not feel slighted in the least if we picked up the tab for ds2 to fly out to their house for holidays so that they can stay put and we can all be together. That feels like a compromise to me – ds1 and DIL don’t have to do any of the traveling or have to take extended time off, but they host, and ds2 has to schlepp to his brother’s but at least he won’t be out any money. And I benefit by being with my whole family.

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We did this, this past summer. Had to plan the dates 18 months ahead, but we paid to get everyone to a rental house by water, and had a fabulous time. We hope to do that every other year, in rotating areas to spare any one household from always being the travelers. But right now, S1 is mad at his SIL , S2 is trying to not pick sides, FDiL wants to see her (spread all over) family too…I am keeping very very quiet for now! (We can’t fly the one couple to the other, because they Have A Dog who couldn’t possibly be boarded. Eyeroll with me)

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An advice column I thought had some interesting ideas about the holidays and how setting boundaries/meeting one’s needs might look.

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Sorry @greenbutton this situation is so familiar that I can only laugh at its absurdity!

Especially the dog part! The dog!

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laughing and crying too.

The dog- was in therapy for anxiety so couldn’t be left alone. I spent the day with my jaw set because I wanted to blurt out “If you’re paying for therapy, why not get some for yourself while you’re at it?” I mean- the narcissists running the show!!!

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We should have a thread about granddogs! One of mine is the weirdest little dude. A woman told them that he’s haunted. He freaks out over shower curtains and window shades and will just howl for no reason.

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We actually get a bye this holiday season as we’ve had two weddings this year (my daughter’s is this weekend) so we’ve all seen each other as much as we want to. Should have another wedding next October, so maybe good for two years.

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That is so unbelievably selfish of his in-laws. I think I got angry reading your post.

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My sister has a friend whose husband refuses to travel because of the dog. And the husband refuses to board the dog anywhere. Refuses also to have the dog stay at a pet sitter’s house. Must be a person who he vets personally who is willing to stick to the weirdly rigid schedule which the husband set up for the dog…and the husband wants the pet sitter to sleep in the primary bedroom, too, so as to not stress the dog out.

As a result, the wife travels without her husband and he never goes anywhere. To say it’s not a happy marriage at the moment would be putting it mildly.

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FDiL’s family are these people. They have a total of 6 dogs between them, and all of them come with. The only exception is weddings, thank goodness. I mean, we had a dog we loved, but a dog isn’t a person and at some point it just adds one more hurdle.

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