<p>"‘‘I think both want change,’’ said Flynt, who owns a landscaping company. ``But to use a football analogy, we would get more attempts with Obama, but we’d get more completions with Clinton. Obama gets my heart, but she’s got my head and I had to use my head to vote.‘’</p>
<p>my sentiments exactly.</p>
<p>Almost 99.9% of a president’s job is to wrestle in mud like pigs. The other 0.01% you can be nice on TV and give inspiring speeches. Hillary is a better pig than Obama.</p>
<p>If you look at the County breakdowns, it demonstrates that Edwards and Obama did extremely well without campaigning there like Clinton did.</p>
<p>[Election</a> Center 2008: Primary Results by County - Elections & Politics news from CNN.com](<a href=“Election Center 2008: Primary Results by County - Elections & Politics news from CNN.com”>Election Center 2008: Primary Results by County - Elections & Politics news from CNN.com)</p>
<p>Most pundits (even the CNN crowd) are suggesting that the Edwards supporters will probably vote more in favor of Obama than Hillary.</p>
<p>Quote: “Hillary is a better pig than Obama.”
I doubt many people can argue with that… ;)</p>
<p>Just heard on news that the Billary camp stated that they have insurance policy on any surge from Obama. That is, CA has had over 1 million and possibly up to 2 million people vote for thier co-presidency in mail in votes since early January. They aren’t worried at all…yuk…what a bunch of politics as usual…I also heard that the rep are chomping at the bit for hil-bil to be the nomionee…it will ignite thier party…Is that what we really want? She is so polarizing and an embarressment to women. That couple will do anything and say anything to get elected. That’s our families position and it represents all generations, professional and both sides of the aisle !!!</p>
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<p>If true, this could bode quite well for McCain. McCain’s biggest problem is with the far right who could easily sit out the election … unless Hillary is the nominee. If Hillary is the nominee, I think even those on the far right who distrust McCain will come out in droves to keep Billary out of the WH. That, plus the fairly large contingent of Independents who appreciates McCain’s maverick stances over the polarization offered by Clinton could easily push McCain over Hillary.</p>
<p>On the other hand, if Obama is the nominee, I suspect that McCain’s support from the far right won’t be needed if they can be replaced by Hispanic voters who a) should be attracted to McCain’s immigration views and b) for some reason prefer a white candidate over an AA.</p>
<p>“That is, CA has had over 1 million and possibly up to 2 million people vote for thier co-presidency in mail in votes since early January. They aren’t worried at all…yuk…what a bunch of politics as usual…”</p>
<p>why yuk?..In a primary your goal is win by getting votes from your supporters. Unless they asked them to vote for them at a gun point there is nothing dirty about that. Is it?</p>
<p>“Will she be seen by the world as a puppet of his 3rd term even if he keeps his mouth shut?”</p>
<p>That’s basically what I’ve been asking for months, starting with my WWBD? thread, and most recently in post #326 when I wrote this: “the prospect of the two-headed entity called, Billary being back in the White House gives me serious pause, because this time, the dynamic will be very different. I think that together as Co-President, (because Bill is just not going to settle to be the “First Husband” in anything like the tradition of the historical First Ladies, not even in the way Hillary was First Lady to his president. He’s going to do far more than diddle the interns. He is just not going to play second banana—his ego simply won’t allow it—so I think there are going to be some inherent problems with that. As it is now, it’s exceedingly hard to tell which of them is actually running for President. The way he’s gotten down and dirty in this campaign is unprecedented in the spouse of a candidate, and certainly in a former President, and acts as a harbinger of what we can expect from him once he’s back in The Oval Office. This is just his way to make an end-run around the constitutional two term limit.”</p>
<p>As the prospect of a Billary occupation of the Oval Office becomes more and more of a reality, I think a lot more people are going to be troubled by this unprecedented dynamic. If McCain (or Romney) is smart, he’ll drag out all the tawdry Clinton baggage (which a lot of the electorate has forgotten about during the past Bush Presidential siege), and exploit it for all it’s worth. </p>
<p>The news of Edward’s withdrawal so early in this race has really bummed me out, too. He was the only candidate in this election that I was absolutely committed to vote FOR, if given the opportunity. Now, it will be back to voting AGAINST the candidate that I find most troubling. At this point, that candidate would be Billary.</p>
<p>Dang!—I haven’t actually voted FOR a candidate in----well-----forever!:(</p>
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<p>While this is a true context, it is entirely irrelevant to the context that matters here-- the one wherein we discover the ultimate meaning and truth of Hillary’s Selma statement to black folk. I do not “obsess” over it, and neither does Novak. We see it for the dishonesty that it is, and it further confirms my suspicions against Hillary’s trustworthiness. It is far more significant than the alleged “snub” by Obama, since in that alleged “snub” there was no lying involved and not even the allegation of lying.</p>
<p>People should take a real hard look at Simba’s stats. Thanks Simba, they are very illuminating. </p>
<p>Just got off the phone with a friend in Miami. A republican. They are viewing Hillary as having a huge win. They see the massive turnout and vote for her as extremely significant, esplly as it supposedly “didn’t count”. </p>
<p>This is an ordinary person talking, but he has lots of political ties.</p>
<p>"‘‘I think both want change,’’ said Flynt, who owns a landscaping company. ``But to use a football analogy, we would get more attempts with Obama, but we’d get more completions with Clinton. Obama gets my heart, but she’s got my head and I had to use my head to vote.‘’</p>
<p>my sentiments exactly."</p>
<p>Oh please, Simba! If Obama ever had any part of your “heart”, you would not have so enthusiastically combed the internet for every wart, every tawdry bit of sleaze you could dig up on him, and post it here with gloating glee. It’s alright to admit that you don’t like Obama, and would never consider voting for him. At least that would be honest.</p>
<p>mercymom,</p>
<p>Miami is only a single city. I’m not sure that the voices of people in Miami reflect the entire country. The demographics are probably swayed somewhat demographically to favor a Hillary nomination. </p>
<p>Lots of ordinary people think they have “political” ties. I’m not even sure what that means. I don’t know what “ordinary” means, nor do I know what political “ties” are. Ties to the establishment? Ties to the Clinton machine? Ties to corruption? Ties to the mob? Ties to what?</p>
<p>^^agree with poetsheart.</p>
<p>I think he means the football analogy, that Hillary can get more stuff accomplished than Obama, more completions. He did call her a better pig.</p>
<p>I agree that you’d get more completions with Hillary. She will get things done. She’s learned a lot in the Senate, is light years ahead of Obama in experience, and she knows how to navigate through all kinds of conditions. Successfully.</p>
<p>Obama knows how to give speeches.</p>
<p>Well, I am not Simba, but I do have a lot of serious doubts about Obama. As typical for EVERY candidate, they promise the sun, moon and stars, his fiscal policy cannot support everything he is promising. I am getting a little nervous, that everyone who endorses him, say he is “change”, but never say that why his plans will work. I also don’t like a candidate that forces me to enter my info (email) to get into their site…I want transparency…why do I have to give them my email?</p>
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<p>LOL.</p>
<p>This reminds me of the responses to the shortlived “snub” episode.</p>
<p>A shocked Obama responded that he has a cordial relationship with Hillary, and actually waved to her at the very meeting wherein the “snub” allegedly took place. </p>
<p>When Hillary was asked about the “snub” she, bless her heart, tried to play it as if her kind, gentle, and innocent spirit had been potentially damaged by having been ignored by Obama:</p>
<p>‘Forsooth, I extended the hand of siblinghood to him, and still I doeth it, but I guess he is too high and mighty to accept it—Yea, I guess he is. He is, don’t you agree? Yea, I think so. (sigh) I’m despondent, despised and rejected—the bearer of stripes whereby I will pay for his sins, and not only his, but also for the sins of the world, if only ye believe in me. Yea, though I walk through this valley of the shadow of death, a valley Obama has put me in, blast his soul, I will fear no evil, because I know you (and scheming Bill) are with me… you are with me – right?’.</p>
<p>Simba here “honored” Clinton by claiming she is a pig, an even bigger pig than Obama. How rich.</p>
<p>You never know. The 7 second emotional outburst at the NH coffee shop worked for some. It was the start of the kinder, gentler, innocence. :o</p>
<p>LOL! Priceless, Dross!</p>
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<p>You do NOT have to enter your email address on Obama’s site to get information. My hunch is that you did not scroll down enough to bring the whole page into view. There’s a button at the bottom to proceed to the website without logging in. Try again.</p>
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<p>Of course because they don’t know his plan, which means they don’t know how they will work. It is the same with Hillary. None of her allegedly “wonkish” plans will work because those plans do not really exist. It is just a bunch of unrealistic promises from all these folks. But Obama does seem kinder than Hillary. He is also handsomer than she is, arguably. So, maybe vote for him on that.</p>
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<p>Obviously so they can spam you. There is a solution. It’s called gmail.</p>
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<p>Are you including all the Republican candidates in this sweeping statement, as well, Dross?</p>
<p>Billary is a narcissitic team that will embarress us as ‘the best we can do’ democratic nominee ??? What a joke. The republicans will bury the dems if Billary is the candidate. It will ignite their party and the flame will burn out on the dems side because ‘the machine’ won. The republicans will say: ‘do you want a war hero or an ‘impeached’ couple with an incredible multitude of ethic violations and lies that will be dregded out’. It will be another black eye for all the world to see. We need a healer not a divider…the world is watching.</p>