Is there a difference between IUPUI and IU bloomington's kelley school of business ?

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<p>Here is a list of courses that in non-honors or honors form are required for all IUB Kelley honors ugrads. </p>

<p>Business Presentations: BUS-C 104 or BUS-C 106 <a href=“Hon”>u</a>
The Computer in Business: BUS-K 201 or BUS-K 204 <a href=“Hon”>u</a>
Finite Math: MATH-M 118 or MATH-S 118 <a href=“Hon”>u</a>
Financial Accounting: BUS-A 201 or BUS-A 205 <a href=“Hon”>u</a>
Managerial Accounting: BUS-A 202 or BUS-A 207 <a href=“Hon”>u</a>
Microeconomics: ECON-E 201 or ECON-S 201 <a href=“Hon”>u</a>
Microeconomics: ECON-E 202 or ECON-S 202 <a href=“Hon”>u</a>
Technology: BUS-X 201 or BUS-X 202 <a href=“Hon”>u</a>
Calculus M119 or M211 or S211 <a href=“Hon”>u</a>
The Legal Environment of Business: BUS-L 201 or BUS-L 293 <a href=“Hon”>u</a>
Business Communication: BUS-C 204 or BUS-C 205 <a href=“Hon”>u</a>
Finite Math M118 or Finite Math HonorsS118 <a href=“Hon”>u</a>
Honors I-Core (14 credits) <a href=“Hon”>u</a>
HONORS ETHICS & 21ST C BUS LEADR BUS L326 <a href=“Hon”>u</a>
LEADERSHIP-HONORS BUS Z324 <a href=“Hon”>u</a>
Business in the Information Age HONORS BUS-G101 <a href=“Hon”>u</a>
Herman G. Wells Seminar in Leadership BUS-Z494 <a href=“Hon”>u</a></p>

<h2>So, more than half of the credits required for the IUB Kelley degree can be taken as honors credit. IUPUI Kelley does not have nearly as many honors offerings. They are actually building their honors offerings, and obviously have a very long way to go be mentioned in the same breath with IUB Kelley honors. Goodkidsdad, you make it sound like IUPUI Kelley honors is a well established and prestigious program. Here is what the IUPUI Kelley faculty said after the Spring 2013 semester about the curriculum of their honors program, which you claim is “the same” as IUB Kelley honors:</h2>

<p>Curriculum: In the 2012-2013 academic year, the school realized an increased demand for honors contracts in BUS K201 and BUS A100. In response to this demand, we plan to offer BUS K204 (honors section of BUS K201) and an honors section of BUS A100 in the spring 2014 semester. Furthermore, the BUS X103 Road Trip class will be offered as an honors course starting in fall 2013. If the demand continues, and if we have enough faculty members to teach honors courses, honors sections of BUS A201 and BUS A202 will be added to the 2014-2015 schedule. We look forward to seeing the benefits of these curriculum improvements for our honors students. </p>

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<p>“If the demand continues, and if we have enough faculty members to teach honors courses, honors sections of BUS A201 and BUS A202 will be added to the 2014-2015 schedule.” Are you kidding me? They are just now adding honors courses that IUB Kelley has had for decades. Worse, IUPUI Kelley does not even require X201 Business Technology for any of its students, honors or otherwise. This class gives IUB Kelley students Excel skills that differentiate them from students at practically every school in the country. </p>

<p>Regarding the IUPUI Kelley faculty report, you have infinitely more respect for the IUPUI Kelley honors program than the people who actually run it. I’m guessing that the IUPUI Kelley faculty may be at least a little more aware of what constitutes a good honors program than you and the need to take baby steps to build it. Who would be more qualified than the IUPUI Kelley faculty to asses the demand and number of quality students required to sustain anything but incremental changes to IUPUI Kelley’s honors program.</p>

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<p>Walt85 - You are correct. The US News ranking applies ONLY to the Bloomington campus. In addition, their ranking methodology described here ( <a href=“http://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/2014/09/08/how-us-news-calculated-the-2015-best-colleges-rankings”>http://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/2014/09/08/how-us-news-calculated-the-2015-best-colleges-rankings&lt;/a&gt; ) encompasses so much more than the “cirrculum , content and preparedness as seen by other academics” as quoted by a previous poster on this forum. It also considers the selectivity of the school being ranked. IUB is much more selective about who is admitted to Kelley than IUPUI. You can read for yourself - IUB, which for freshmen requires a 3.7/4.0 and a 1270 SAT/30ACT, and for non-direct admit, requires at least a B in all courses (any B- is an automatic review by committee), no withdraws, and a review of extracurricular activity at IU (link: <a href=“Undergraduate | Bachelor's Degree in Business | Indiana Kelley”>Undergraduate | Bachelor's Degree in Business | Indiana Kelley; ), IUPUI, which for freshmen requires a 3.2/4.0 and 1100 SAT/24 ACT, and for non-direct admit provides two pathways into the school, one which currently only requires a whopping 2.0 from any accredited institution, such as a community college, no extracurricular involvement (link: <a href=“http://kelley.iupui.edu/undergrad/admissions/current-iupui-students/option2/”>http://kelley.iupui.edu/undergrad/admissions/current-iupui-students/option2/&lt;/a&gt; ) This is being upped in the future to a 2.5, which of course is still not on par with IUB. These are major differences between who is accepted into each program and is definitely a factor in rankings and should be a factor for anyone considering what is best for their son/daughter in college. </p>

<p>Much has been stated on this forum about how a link to a website states that Kelley is one school, with one curriculum, offered at two locations, and therefore they are the same. First, separate but equal is a fallacy (I think this was decided in the 1960’s). If they were in fact the same, they would have been tied in the rankings, which they are not. The fact that there is a website advertising Kelley as one school does not, in reality, make it the exact same school. Second, here is an analogy for your consideration: in high school everyone is required to take biology and the state imposes MINIMUM curriculum standards that must be met. The high achieving kids choose honors bio because they are looking to be challenged more, go more in depth and get more from the class (or their parents make them take honors haha!). In addition, the teachers want to push the kids to learn more and realize they are teaching to the more highly motivated students who can handle more. Those not wishing to be challenged for whatever reason take regular bio. Both have the same minimum curriculum standards, but undoubtedly the honors kids get more out of the class. You asked what is at IUPUI if you are not one of the highly select 24 kids. I suggest to you, go to Bloomington. Bloomington is essentially Honors Kelley and IUPUI is regular Kelley, so you know your student will be challenged even though he doesn’t make the exclusive 24 at IUPUI. Also, consider this, if your student gets an A at IUPUI in a class with others who got into the school with a 2.0 cumulative average and many teachers curve exams, does it really carry the same weight as someone getting an A at IUB, who is competing with kids who have a much higher average? No, absolutely not. The kid in Bloomington has to work harder, and study more to get that A. </p>

<p>I’m sure IUPUI is a fit for many kids. Financially, it is much cheaper. My daughter has many, many friends who are happy there and chose it for financial considerations. Someone on this forum stated it was a better return on his investment, so finances played a role there also obviously since ROI is a financial consideration. And IUPUI is trying to improve their standards, which makes them rank high on up and coming universities. If finances are not a consideration, visit both schools, do your own research about each and go with what you and your student concur makes the most sense for him or her. Everyone usually wants the very best for their child. The last thing you want to do is make a decision and then spend hours upon hours posting 34 times to this forum trying to justify it.</p>

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<p>Bthomp: You are a persistent person. I respect that. All I have ever wanted was to buffer some of the negative stuff that you and others keep saying about Indianapolis. But what is interesting is a lot of the might, size, barriers and mass that you hold up as arguments on behalf of IUB, while impressive, are actually the reasons why my son went another direction.</p>

<p>He liked what the program at Indianapolis was doing differently. He actually was excited about the newly developed programs because they were dynamic, unique and emerging. He felt like he was part of that process and not just “in it”.</p>

<p>Its not me saying the they both deserve the Kelley name by the way It’s Kelley themselves. And I have NEVER said that Indianapolis was better in any way. I just point out the differences. It looks like you spend a great deal of effort looking for incrementing stuff on Indianapolis, yet when I read the stuff you send it strengthens our decision.</p>

<p>It’s an interesting part of human nature. The above stuff you sent tells me that you interpret this evolution of Indianapolis as a weakness. I on the other hand see evolution, growth and increased demand as signs of a dynamic institution. Different perspective I guess. I keep going back to the point that it is still Kelley.</p>

<p>PLEASE quit posting tedious course descriptions as they REASONS why IUB is better. It’s just diversionary. Some of the courses are better. some are not. And PLEASE stop saying that I have always said that all of the components were the same etc I NEVER SAID THAT!!</p>

<p>What I HAVE always said is that they are are both good schools, both spell Kelley the same way and both do a good job preparing kids. And I have highlighted the differences and educated a lot of people that there is actually an option to going IUB. A good option. For some kids …a better option!</p>

<p>We still run into parents who have kids at IUB and they say “Really, there is a Kelley in Indianapolis”? We think : What, you send your to school and never look at the website? They have no credibility at all. In fact you hear a little of this on this site.</p>

<p>Bottom-line: THE SAME SCHOOL!!! You knew I couldn’t resist. Because it’s true.</p>

<p>If you were really a Kelley advocate you would promote both campuses on their merits. I do!</p>

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<p>Michhoos: You know that rankings are about cirrculum, content and how other academics look at the program. And all rankings take place where the program is chartered. Always has. It does not prove superiority! Indianapolis has good rankings in Kelley Programs as well. They have just only been open since 1969. Cut it out please. Or at least start listing the strengths too. Sorry …Kelley is Kelley.</p>

<p>it is so tiring dealing with people who say that IUB is the Honors Kelley where Indianapolis is the regular one. I hope people who read this go to both campuses and internalize whether they want to put up with this highbrow attitude for 4 years.</p>

<p>The degree will say Kelley School with Honors. And yes it may be more affordable, but not by much. </p>

<p>At least you encourage kids to look at both. I appreciate that.</p>

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<p>What is this?</p>

<p>“Bloomington is essentially Honors Kelley and IUPUI is regular Kelley, so you know your student will be challenged even though he doesn’t make the exclusive 24 at IUPUI. Also, consider this, if your student gets an A at IUPUI in a class with others who got into the school with a 2.0 cumulative average and many teachers curve exams, does it really carry the same weight as someone getting an A at IUB, who is competing with kids who have a much higher average? No, absolutely not. The kid in Bloomington has to work harder, and study more to get that A.”</p>

<p>Utter nonsense from someone who has no idea about Kelley Indianapolis. How does one know this.? They don’t. Just more malarkey from IUB homers.</p>

<p>The top 10 at IUB are the only ones not going through the meat grinder. But, it’s an exclusive meat grinder. So it is better.</p>

<p>I just shake my head.</p>

<p>But, whatever.</p>

<p>Just check out both campuses and know you have options. And they both spell Kelley the same way.</p>

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<p>Not nonsense - COMMON sense.
correction - 36 times</p>

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<p>Please just do your own research and don’t feel compelled to do anything because of the attitude of people around you. I am waaay put off by the homers here. Reason enough to elsewhere and surround yourself with just a little humility. If you can do that and still have Kelley on your degree. Winner!</p>

<p>Just remember, unless you go to the place where people think you should. It’s not really an education. It’s an Honors “lite”.</p>

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<p>Goodkidsdad</p>

<p>You are a shameless and relentless shill. Give it a rest or get a job in marketing with IUPUI. Maybe that’s already your job. Your obnoxious slamming of all things IUB in your Feb post over on the IUPUI forum is all anyone need read to understand your bias.</p>

<p>Your ridiculous exchange with BTHOMP is offensive to anyone who can reason. That individual has posted more substantive and helpful information on IUB and Kelley than just about anyone. I hope they stop wasting their time with you as you have shown yourself to be just one more forum ■■■■■ undeserving of any response.</p>

<p>I now see you posting this same IUPUI booster stuff in other IUB threads. Take a step back and reflect on what it is you think you are accomplishing here. You picked IUPUI and we didn’t. So what?</p>

<p>With all due respect, you are incredibly foolish by trying to convert people in an IUB forum to IUPUI. It aint happening friend. Are you posting on the other top rated b-school sites too?</p>

<p>People here have been polite and reasonable beyond measure, but now you just need to get a life and some perspective.</p>

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<p>I appreciate your comments. Trying to shed light to another Kelley option shouldn’t be so offensive to people, but it is.</p>

<p>The thread that I give push-back and examples is on the one asking for differences in the schools. This one.</p>

<p>Your attitude, visceral responses and inappropriate comments highlight one of these differences.</p>

<p>Again, I appreciate your comments.</p>

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<p>The only things inappropriate are your combative biased posts beginning almost a year ago that add nothing to any objective analysis of IUB Kelley.</p>

<p>No amount of clever wordplay or disingenuous pandering will change the fact that you are a shill for a school in which your child is only a freshman. Others here are IUB grads and parents of grads who have far more to offer and are worthy of respect.</p>

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<p>The name of this thread is : </p>

<p>Is there a difference between IUPUI and IU bloomington’s kelley school of business ?</p>

<p>As an IUB graduate I tried to point out some differences and some similarities but this thread wont have that. If you are not an IUB “shill” then you dont belong. I just tried for some even handed discussion. </p>

<p>Couldn’t happen. The above poster does not like my contrasts. Look at the reaction. Speaks volumes.</p>

<p>Kelly Bloomington is a really great school. Kelley Indianapolis is a good option. Just you are not allowed to say it out-loud.</p>

<p>Thanks for your time.</p>

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<p>We aren’t shills! I’m not even a Kelley grad, for goodness sakes. IUPUI is a great school for some people, otherwise their enrollment would be 0. But you have to be fair with the comparisons instead of trying to refute every single point that anyone makes. You haven’t bothered to try for a fair discussion, but instead have committed multiple logical fallacies and have a serious confirmation bias. You’ve also insulted a number of long-time posters who know a LOT more about IUB and Kelley than you do–just because you attended IUB quite some time ago doesn’t mean it’s the same, and you can’t get that new, updated information just from a tour. </p>

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<p>Gotcha:</p>

<p>I just have highlighted differences and was met with almost inconceivable pile-on resistance. By the way way soccegurl I never called you a shill. I was enduring a barrage of being called that myself. But I guess that is OK. That is what this about after all.</p>

<p>Go ahead and do what you do. Just a question: Have you ever been to the Indianapolis campus of Kelly?</p>

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<p>I just realized about one your points soccergurl. You spoke about refuting every single post. Please reflect back to others who have posted as well. Some folks reacted in some very interesting ways as I gave opinions. </p>

<p>The only difference is that you must have agreed with them.</p>

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<p>I’ve been to IUPUI, including the Kelley portion of campus, numerous times. I was never particularly impressed by their academics, nor by the campus itself. It fell short of IUB, Purdue, and the numerous other schools I was applying to (and eventually accepted to) in terms of the level of its academics and the academic programs I was interested in. </p>

<p>I do agree with the facts and statistics put forth by bthomp1 and others, and there’s no denying that. </p>

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<p>Interesting. It is the Kelley School.</p>

<p>But, I appreciate that you have been there.Some others have not.</p>

<p>Is there nothing redeeming about Kelley Indianapolis? </p>

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<p>Oh, and by the way. I always thought bthomp is a very respectable poster .I actually agreed with him on most things. I very much respected his points that there were some kids that would do well at Indianapolis. And that the high demand and excellence of Kelley Bloomington was outstanding.</p>

<p>Additionally, he has helped many kids with GREAT advice. And he knows his stuff.</p>

<p>I did debate heartily with him when there was a comment about the inferiority of certain schools.</p>

<p>But I thought that was the purpose of these forums. Openness and forthright discussion.</p>

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<p>Slam. </p>

<p>And no one to refute it. I will just get piled on. It is the Kelly school ! And a pretty cool school for a lot of kids.</p>

<p>Mums the word though.</p>

<p>"I’ve been to IUPUI, including the Kelley portion of campus, numerous times. I was never particularly impressed by their academics, nor by the campus itself. It fell short of IUB, Purdue, and the numerous other schools I was applying to (and eventually accepted to) in terms of the level of its academics and the academic programs I was interested in.’</p>

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<p>A good place to start. Above the fray and all of the noise. Then I suggest you look at the academics accordingly.</p>

<p>The last link is a little outdated but a great unbiased review.</p>

<p>Both are great campus options for the Kelley School of Business.</p>

<p><a href=“http://news.indiana.edu/releases/iu/university-wide/2013/09/2013-u.s.-news-undergrad-rankings.shtml”>http://news.indiana.edu/releases/iu/university-wide/2013/09/2013-u.s.-news-undergrad-rankings.shtml&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p><a href=“http://news.iupui.edu/releases/iu/2014/09/2014-us-news-best-colleges-business-programs.shtml”>File Not Found: Newscenter: Indiana University–Purdue University Indianapolis;

<p><a href=“News at IU”>News at IU;

<p><a href=“http://www.kelleybizblog.com/blog/04c31952-0f43-404a-9ec4-c1f7f5df8c22/iub-vs-iupui-the-battle-of-the-kelley-schools”>http://www.kelleybizblog.com/blog/04c31952-0f43-404a-9ec4-c1f7f5df8c22/iub-vs-iupui-the-battle-of-the-kelley-schools&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Here are some unbiased opinions of the IUPUI Kelley ugrad faculty concerning academics at IUPUI Kelley.</p>

<p>“It is interesting to note that Kelley students self-rated themselves higher on quantitative [skills], yet Kelley faculty rated these Quantitative skills among the lower performance levels.” p. 6</p>

<p>“Our curriculum map showed a low level of coverage for Understanding Society and Culture (PUL 5) and Value and Ethics (PUL 6). Our direct measures of assessment showed lower levels than desired by the faculty for Critical Thinking skills (PUL 2), Communication (PUL 1a), Quantitative Skills (PUL 1b), and Intellectual Depth, Breadth, and Adaptiveness (PUL 4).” p. 10</p>

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