@iamjack: Resentful? Regretful?
Anyway, psychopaths can be made.
@PurpleTitan yes yes, my bad. I meant to say regretful!
@jym626 The Stanford fraud did a bit of both…sleeping in the lounge and sleeping dorms.
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…Still, Kim had neither a Stanford ID nor a key, forcing her to sneak into meals and enter her room through its window, which overlooked the Munger construction pit, the Wilbur parking lot and a dumpster, three feet off the ground. Zhou never noticed, as she spent nearly all her nights in her boyfriend’s room.
“She took off the screen and always left one of the windows wide open and the blinds up,” Zhou said. “I just guessed she always wanted a breezy room.”
To avoid suspicion while in Okada, Kim pretended to be a sophomore majoring in human biology, going as far as to buy textbooks an study with friends for tests she would never take. Residents of the 94-person dorm were none the wiser.
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@rhandco What doctor are you talking about?
It vaguely sounds like the Green Beret doctor, Jeffery McDonald who killed his pregnant wife and 2 daughters, and tried to claim that it was the result of a home invasion. He injured himself with minor stab wounds to make it “look real”. He got a lot of sympathy, but then he talked to much and his father-in-law pieced together some inconsistencies. A TV movie made from the book, Fatal Vision, told the story.
How terribly sad.
In Connecticut:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2375357/Petit-family-murders-Connecticut-police-REFUSED-send-hostage-negotiator-home.html
Although 100% of recent coverage is extremely sympathetic, it was abundantly clear at the time that the father was barely injured (did not require hospitalization) and did not go back into the house despite knowing his family was in there. And was not covered in gasoline like the others were.
This is the type of story that was originally out there, note the timeline:
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/cheshire-ct/TEDEHIT65V89TMIQQ
And now this:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/conn-doctor-fears-deadly-fate-new-baby-article-1.1956177
which REALLY sounds like the “good doctor” did not have clean hands in the murders.
And, this story is recent in NYC, regarding getting caught cheating:
http://nypost.com/2015/07/26/principal-commits-suicide-amid-common-core-test-scandal/
The story is rather interesting because before the test cheating scandal (filling in any spaces left empty by students), she was at another school where she was accused of being paid over-time while working out at the gym, and got employees to lie for her that she asked them to work over-time first (per regulation) before she worked over-time.
@rhandco, this is flagrantly OT, and should probably be discussed in its own thread. But I could not disagree more with your perceptions of the Petit home invasion case. I’m amazed to see you cite the NY Daily News and the Daily Mail, both tabloids, as supposedly reliable sources. Even given the sensationalistic tone of the News article you link, I see nothing in it to indicate the doctor was anything other than a victim in the case.
Your initial post mentions Dr. Petit’s “quick remarriage.” He married five years after his family was murdered - that seems quick to you? And is it improper to have life insurance on one’s minor children? Exactly how well off was he, to pay off “enough people that he got all the sympathy”? He’d have to have bribed the entire state of Connecticut to get away with such a heinous crime. And are we to assume that the murderers are too intimidated by Dr. Petit’s economic resources to accuse him of hiring them? They’ve both received death sentences, so they have nothing to lose by making that claim.
One of my family members was a patient of Dr. Petit’s. I followed the case closely from its awful beginning through sentencing. I’m just astonished at your take on the case.
Just this past year we had the student from TJHSST who claimed to get admission to Harvard and Stanford. All documents were fake. This hit the international news circuit in Korea.
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Read about the doctor who hired hitmen to kill his family in a home invasion, and how all talk of it being a set up because he, the adult male in the house, was only tied up loose enough to escape the house fire the “robbers” set. First week there was clear evidence that he masterminded it, but he paid enough people off that he got all the sympathy. And the quick remarriage and the life insurance, even on his kids.
it was abundantly clear at the time that the father was barely injured (did not require hospitalization) and did not go back into the house despite knowing his family was in there. And was not covered in gasoline like the others were.
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When I read your first quote, I didn’t think you meant Dr. Petit because he didn’t have a “quick remarriage.” He married at least 5 years after the deaths.
If I remember correctly, he had been injured, but he was tied up in the basement away from the wife and kids who were in the main part of the house. And, he made his way out of the house at the time the police were outside. He wouldn’t have been allowed back in the house.
I don’t know why he wasn’t doused with gasoline…maybe because he had already escaped at that point?
The cries for investigation were because people were outraged that the police were outside, but did nothing…supposedly because they were waiting for SWAT team. When do you think he supposedly “paid off” people? Do you think he actually paid off people BEFORE the home invasion and “paid” the police not to intervene???
I don’t see how any of the police’s odd decisions are a reflection of anything or any “power” that Dr P supposedly had.
I don’t see how that link about his fear for his new baby shows any guilt. He was asked if he had fears, and naturally he said, “yes.”
If Dr. P had any role in those deaths, then the 2 murderers would have revealed that in an effort to save their hides. They would not have protected him.
^^I followed the Connecticut case closely, as well. It is very irresponsible to suggest the doctor’s complicity in the murders of his wife and two daughters. There is zero evidence to support this. The case was thoroughly investigated and there were two trials. Absolutely nothing points to the doctor. I agree with @frazzled1 that it is an entirely inappropriate example for this thread.
That is absolutely inappropriate to suggest Dr Petit had anything to do with his family’s murders. And the Daily Mail is hardly a reputable source, Well, off to filter you go.
It appears that the one “take” on the Petit case has been soundly rebutted. I won’t delete the posts, though they are rather off topic. But no further discussion of that case will be allowed. Let’s get back on track.
I always take any news story of an outrage with a grain of salt until more facts come out. Sometimes there never are any new facts, and you don’t know what really happened. Who remembers the case of the honor student who pistol-whipped her mom to force the mom to buy her a car? Well, is that really what happened? There’s no way to know for sure.
Just few days ago my friend told me that one of the guys he hired had lied about his degree.
He had submitted a resume claiming a BS degree from X college. When HR department called the college there were told that that was a lie. Both my friend and I are chocked. Who does that now that it is so easy to confirm someone’s educational background? The irony is that the guy had the skills for the job and did not need the degree (not necessary to apply for the job) so he pretty much dug his own grave.
How stupid, and what exactly was he thinking!
Anyway, me too, I thought that’s not happening as much anymore but apparently it still does.
I gets calls every day for degree verifications … companies pay third party screening services to check out education and employment listed on applications. Unfortunately, many companies are still too lax in their background screening. In this day, it is so easy to check this stuff, and companies have no excuse not to check out applicants’ stories.
That’s for sure. Most people wouldn’t be careful enough not to slip up just from an an amateur like me looking into their background online, much less having a pro start to dig in.
Absolutely. As someone that has had several articles written where I have been the subject or have been involved closely in what was being written about, I can tell you with no doubt at all that the writers get the simplest yet important things wrong all the time. And these stories were anything but sensational, just routine human interest stories and non-sensational news. It gets worse when the subjects are technical, which isn’t surprising, but it is still bad even for the basic stuff that a third grader should get right. As you say, I wait for an important story to marinate a bit before really deciding what I think about it.
“Just few days ago my friend told me that one of the guys he hired had lied about his degree.
He had submitted a resume claiming a BS degree from X college.”
"The irony is that the guy had the skills for the job and did not need the degree (not necessary to apply for the job) so he pretty much dug his own grave.
How stupid, and what exactly was he thinking!"
Same thing happened to someone I know. After a successful career, he went to work for a high profile consulting firm. His resume indicated that he had a BS degree from State U. In reality, he had dropped out his junior year for financial reasons and was drafted. He never went back to school. Even though he worked his way to the top, he was always embarrassed that he didn’t have a degree. He was particularly self-conscious in consulting, where nearly everyone who worked under him seemed to have an Ivy League degree and MBA from a top school. I asked him why he thought he wouldn’t get caught. He said he didn’t expect them to verify a modest BS from State U - especially given his 30 years of work experience and time elapsed since college. He held the job for over a year before the lie was discovered.
Good friend here had a decades long career in higher ed admin, multiple schools. We always knew she dropped out of college. As she was about to retire, she admitted to us she lied on apps about her degree. Never discovered. In the beginning, who verified? Then as she grew her expertise and demand, no one stopped to check that line. She realized she was lucky. Her position at the schools was key, but within her dept/division only.
I m terrified by this incident, but I am also tired of this kind of news that only seemed to spotlight Asians…