Is tiger parenting the norm among upper middle class parents?

To me, at least, nothing you wrote seems particularly tigerish. Like as we were discussing above, I think the tigerish response to the UCs getting a lot more selective is to tell their kids B+ grades are not acceptable, to force them to spend long hours playing an instrument or a sport they don’t actually love, to get on a more advanced math track, and so on, all in an effort to make sure their kid actually wins the competition for UC admission.

It sounds to me like your response is more to recognize and adapt to these changing circumstances in terms of college expectations, and to make sure to be on top of administrative things like signing up early for SAT dates. If that is the gist of your response, I think based on the litmus tests above you would not score as very tigerish.

I recognize some parents might not even do that much, and we have tossed around various terms for parents who are pretty involved in all this without being tigerish about it. But whatever term you like for that approach, it seems like that would be the better fit.

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I agree with NUM–you definitely aren’t a Tiger Mom. I would call you a Mama Bear–and I identify with that label myself! If you were a TM, you’d be blaming your child for not being perfect, instead of understanding exactly how the world has changed, and that we can be advocates for our children. I really feel for you parents in California–the symptoms are strongest there due to the huge population. Hang in there!

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Mama bears unite.

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Moms who have adult children with serious mental illness are the most ferocious Mama Bears you’ll ever meet. Don’t mess with our babies!

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How’d you get a pic of my wife?

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Mama bears never tell. :wink:

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This is making me have flashbacks! :rofl: I used to wonder how the other parents kept track of which kids (that weren’t even their own!) were in what book. And how these tiny kids were in like Book 10 but couldn’t tie their own shoes. It was a good week if our teacher didn’t break out her plastic bin of monkey and Minions stickers to create an illustration showing what part of the “Terrible Triangle” I was! One kid left Suzuki at a young age for contact sports (her true love at the time), and the other stayed for 10 very happy, self-directed years and their teacher (not the same one w/stickers) became a close friend.

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Depends on who you ask. To white people, I’m too tiger but to Asians, not tiger enough.

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You haven’t posted much, but from what you posted, you don’t seem to be a tiger parent.

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The reason why UCB and UCLA have become ultra competitive is precisely the income/asset value situation in CA. So many families make enough here to not qualify for any aid but are paying so much in mortgages and rent that it’s hard to afford those tuitions. It is a no brainer to get a state degree for 1/3 of the cost of a private school than go into debt for privates.
I think many in CA, especially Bay Area parents are sick in the head. It’s disgusting what we often witness.

Although that may contribute, the state’s large population relative to the size of the universities means that there are many more applicants aiming for the top flagships than in smaller population states.

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Exactly. We’re a state with a population over Canada’s. We have over 400k graduating seniors each year.

We are a nation masquerading as a state, essentially.

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On the plus side, your “nation” also has way more very good public universities than any other state!

This is crude (and actually a bit circular given the methodology), but Cal and UCLA are already ranked #1 and #2 by US News among publics. Davis and San Diego are then tied for #6, Irvine is #10, and Santa Barbara is #12–that’s SIX before 43 other states have had even one!

Then finally a lot of other states get in on the action, but by the time you get to California’s SEVENTH (Merced tied at #28), only five other states (Texas, Georgia, Michigan, Florida, and NC) have gotten to two, and one to three (Virginia), and 32 still do not have their first.

It just sort of goes on like that. California is extremely well represented all through the Top Public Schools rankings.

So yes, this is arguably bad if it is important to you to go to one of the top two Cals.

But if you just want an objectively high-quality public option? California has way more of those than any other state, and it isn’t remotely close.

And to actually make this relevant–if you think it is unacceptable for your kid to “only” go to one of the top 12 public universities in the US, as opposed to one of the top 2, you just might be a tiger parent.

Oh, bonus factoids:

I like the ARTU rankings for global universities:

https://research.unsw.edu.au/artu/artu-results

Canada has three universities in the top 50 (Toronto 21, UBC 33, McGill 42), and three more 51-125 (Alberta 84, McMaster 111, Montreal 125).

California also has three in the top 50 (Cal 6, UCLA 19, San Diego 31), and three more in 51-125 (SB 78, Davis 80, Irvine 123–note this is the same top six as US News although not exactly the same order).

So quite a close comparison really, although California is loaded higher up than Canada (meaning California’s #1 is higher than Canada’s #1, same with their #2s, and so on down through #6, although then the pattern finally breaks with #7).

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UCLA and Cal are tied for #1 :slight_smile:

And I agree—the quality of CA public universities is unparalleled. I feel very fortunate to be able to benefit from in state tuition… and to be able to afford my insane property and income taxes :joy:

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I would modify that to:
“if you think it is unacceptable for your kid to “only” go to one of the top 30 public universities in the US, as opposed to one of the top 12, you just might be a tiger parent.”

Especially if that “top 30” is your state flagship (like UMN, OSU, UMD, or Purdue).

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lol. Not me or DH but her sibling was adamant that only top universities were acceptable for my younger daughter. She only considered top 5 public’s acceptable. Her father and I thought that was NUTS but the lower ranked schools turned her by not offering direct entry into her nursing program even though she loved the school (Mizzou) or having such a negative attitude towards their students during admissions sessions. (Iowa).

I should modify that. Thinking that “low-ranked” colleges “aren’t good enough” doesn’t make a Tiger Parent. It’s demanding from your kid that they have a profile for these colleges AND assume that if your kid isn’t accepted that means that they weren’t good enough (or that something nefarious is going on) that make a Tiger Parent.

There are many entitled parents, especially wealthy ones, who don’t put any pressure on their kids, and still expect the kids to be accepted to these colleges. Many parents involved in the Varsity Blues scandal weren’t even close to being Tiger Parents, but they only considered colleges that were at least as prestigious as USC to be “good enough”.

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Maybe if they had been Tiger Parents they wouldn’t have had to cheat their kids’ way in to top schools :wink:

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Well, anecdotally in my family, my kid (during the SAT) and my spouse (during engineering school) witnessed cheating directly by students. My spouse in particular saw a culture of cheating that was fairly entrenched in their “top school”. Cheating students, cheating parents happens in any culture, Varsity Blues parents or Tiger Parents.

My comment was a bit tongue-in-cheek…