Italy

<p>So my cousin and her friends (there are 5 of them, total) are planning to take 6 months off to learn Italian and get acquainted with the culture, etc in Italy. Forget about budgeting for a while, and please give suggestions on how to maximize their time.</p>

<p>They want to travel and see the ENTIRE country (from Venice, to Milan, to Rome, to Tuscany) so there is a lot of research to be done to plan this trip. They want to go sometime in mid-March to mid-September. They’re going to Switzerland and Austria in mid-Feb to mid-March.</p>

<p>Has anyone been to Italy? What are the nice places to see? They all love architecture, beaches, and nice sceneries. One of them is an awesome painter, and another is a photographer.</p>

<p>Oh, and if you could give advice in regards to the chronological order of visits to various places (since they want to go EVERYWHERE), then please do post.</p>

<p>They’ll be with 2 native Italians with them as a guide, doubling as language tutors also. They’re more on the integrating-the-culture-and-speaking-the-language-everyday type to make the trip worthwile. So, no classrooms.</p>

<p>Wow, what an amazing trip!</p>

<p>I only have the experience to give very, very limited advice, part of which is a bit touristy (and easily found in guidebooks anyway–and by the way, I’m partial to Rick Steves–but perhaps this can act as a bit of an underscore :p):</p>

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<li><p>If anyone’s up for some pleasure reading, check out *Eat, Pray, Love<a href=“Elizabeth%20Gilbert”>/I</a>. A third of the book is devoted to her description of a similar trip…three months spent in Rome, learning to speak Italian and appreciate “pleasure.” Light and enjoyable read, and maybe a good way to gear up.</p></li>
<li><p>It won’t take much research for your cousin and her friends to figure this out for themselves, but go-go-go-go-go to the Cinque Terre, and actually spend some time there (i.e. at least more than one full day). No matter where in that region I went, the people around me were all saying “I wish I could stay here all day,” and it was incredible to be able to do so myself. I didn’t make it to the lakes region, but a few people actually told me they preferred it to the Cinque Terre, so I can only imagine that it must also be something quite special.</p></li>
<li><p>Get major cities and tourist areas out of the way EARLY, because summer will get crazy (particularly July and August, but also well into September). I would highly recommend ‘taking care’ of Rome and Florence, above all, between March (avoiding Easter in the former…) and June, at least as far as any sight-seeing goes. Even if you’re not part of the vacationing mass, the crowds + heat can really leave a negative impression of these places. Having to be so alert all the time (pick-pocketing) is absolutely exhausting, and the heavy traffic, hustle and bustle, etc. really hinders meaningful interaction/integration. I spent a few weeks in Florence at the end of the high season, and the city was so congested that you couldn’t even walk down some streets for the crowds. Other visitors said that they’d been even more overwhelmed in Rome and Venice, though I can’t speak firsthand. Outside of the city, even in other “destination” areas (Pisa and other Tuscan cities, Cinque Terre, etc.), I had no trouble at all.</p></li>
<li><p>Whether or not crowds are a problem (but especially if they are), spend enough time in the major areas to get off the beaten track. Yes, yes, see the “must see” sites, but take advantage of having six months by visiting a few of the many, many wonderful museums/gardens/cities/etc. that don’t have three hour queues at their gates (and for those that do, plan ahead, spent a few extra euros, and make phone reservations, because nothing is enjoyable after that much time in line). At the same time of year that had 2-3+ hour lines for major museums, I made phone reservations and walked right in, and then spent the rest of my time at smaller or less-frequented (but often still wonderful) places. In a few cases, I literally had museums to myself.</p></li>
<li><p>Encourage your cousin and her friends to make time for themselves as individuals, not always staying as a group, or even in pairs. Being alone makes for an entirely different experience, and it can be much easier to blend in. Being on my own for a couple of weeks, I spent more time meeting locals and really ‘getting a feel’ than some students I know who’ve spent months studying abroad, but despite all of their best intentions, have never really broken out of their group.</p></li>
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<p>And again: what an amazing trip! Best of luck to them :)</p>

<p>If you are a painter the Amalfi coast is beautiful. Portofino is known as the Italian Riviera, also great for painting. Venice is my favorite city in the world.<br>
Turin is a small town and you can take a train to the mountains (about 1 hour)…Remember Turin is where the 06 winter olympics were. They also have great chocolate. Turin has a beautiful church, the design for the Olympics was after the church spire. The church spire was built by donations from the jewish community, and it can be seen anywhere in the city.
In Rome, our tour guide took us on top of the hill that you can see all of Rome, there is a park there and a hospital, but that’s all I can remember.
There is also a really neat church around the corner for the Trevi Fountain, which you should stop in…they have markers showing how high the water went during their floods.
I did not care for Milan, but I sure others can give off the beaten track for that area
Pompei is a definite stop if you are into archirecture, it is a day long trip and amazing to see how the town worked and how they were able to replicate where the bodies died(suffice it to say it had to do with air pockets and injecting plaster or concrete into the pocket)</p>

<p>Well, you certainly don’t want to go to Naples until they have their rubbish situation taken care of.
I suggest taking theme trips in different parts of the country, like walking in the path of the Greeks in Sicily, the path of the Romans in the SW like Pompei and Ostia and Rome, or walk the Roman Road .Take the path of the Etruscans in Tuscany and visit Tarquinia, which is in the middle of a wheat field.You can walk in the path of the Middle Ages by attending the Palio in Siena. Twice in the summer the Palio occurs there in Tuscany. This is when they truck in tons of dirt into the town square for a Medieval horse race , an incredible spectacle of color and pagentry and Feudalism. You could walk in the path of the Medici in Florence and the path of the Popes in the Vatican City, in Rome. And of course, the path of the Christians by going to the catacombs, St Peter’s and Helena’s ruined mansion (where behind an ancient wall painting they found a box with what is believed to the titulous above the head of Christ, which she found in 300ad in the Holy Land)In the North you could walk in the path of the Lombards, and Napoleon.(Exactly WHY is the aristocracy of Tuscany tall and blonde!) In the far NE there is the dolomites.These are strange stone formations where rock climbers come from all over Europe to climb.So you could walk in the path of the Germanic tribes and Hannibal!You could walk in the path of the saints by visiting every church dedicated to every saint all over the country.My Goodness, there is a relic box with saint bones in just about every church everywhere! And of course, walk in the path of the Renaisance by visiting the greatest museums in Florence (Pitti and Uffitzi -sp! sorry!) Milan and Rome. And, of course, walk in the path of the Gods by visiting Roman villas and baths!</p>

<p>So, more important than learning the language, learn your history. Wow, have a great time!</p>

<p>The three things that struck me most on my quickie trip to Italy:</p>

<p>1) Pompeii</p>

<p>2) Pantheon (not sure why, but this was my favorite thing in Rome)</p>

<p>3) Seeing David in Florence</p>

<p>Way too much to recommend, but the highlight of my trip to Italy with an architecture class was visiting the various baroque villas outside Rome. The gardens and fountains at the Villa d’Este are particularly spectacular.</p>

<p>Verona also has a really neat museum, the Castelvechio which combines old and new. The modern additions were done by Carlo Scarpa.</p>

<p>Siena’s zebra striped cathedral is my favorite - gorgeously sited town.</p>

<p>Assissi is also not to be missed. Beautiful town and Giotto frescos.</p>

<p>Our son spent fall semester in Rome. He went all over Europe. His favorite in Italy was Cinque Terre in northwest Italy coast. New York Times had a write up in the last year.</p>

<p>He says we must go there before we’re too old. Beautiful hikes from town to town. He stayed in youth hostels with a group for pretty cheap.</p>

<p>I liked the Cinque Terra area as well. In that amount of time they should be able to see a lot assuming they’re on the move. the historical sites in the cities are interesting but I think the smaller towns and villages, beaches, etc. are interesting as well. </p>

<p>In Switzerland the Zermatt area, home of the (real) Matterhorn, is nice. I hope they’ll go skiing while they’re in Switzerland/Austria that time of year. I only went one time there - in Davos Switzerland. It was fun and a bit different than skiing here.</p>

<p>Rick Steves has done some shows on the area and he has some guides you cousin might find useful.</p>

<p>It sounds like a cool trip.</p>

<p>Give yourself plenty of time for the Vatican and St Peters.</p>

<p>Lived in Italy for six years. My biggest recommendation - get out of the name brand hotels & off the beaten path. The more out into the “sticks” you get, the more you (they) will experience the true culture of that amazing country. It’s a world unto itself - especially since the culture varies so much from region to region.</p>

<p>My next big piece of advice is TRY NOT TO LOOK LIKE AN AMERICAN! No ball caps, no sweatshirts, no tennis shoes, and no shorts. Skirts are preferable for girls & nice slacks or khakis for the guys. The Italians DRESS - much better to err on the dressed up side than the opposite. You’ll get more mileage out of one wrinkle-free skirt than a suitcase full of shorts & jeans.</p>

<p>If I were making this trip, I’d be sure to give myself LOTS of time for Southern Italy (hopefully they’ll have the garbage cleaned up by then!). Don’t miss Pompeii, and if you like that, you’ll love Herculaneum - it’s much smaller, but the ruins (more frescoes) are better. To put it all in context, make SURE you go to the Archaeological Museum in Naples - it has everything that was removed from the homes & buildings of Pompeii, Herculaneum, etc. If you want, you can do Herculaneum & then trek up the side of Vesuvius in the same day. Also, there are some great Greek ruins in Southern Italy - Paestum, the most intact Greek ruins on the European mainland. Includes temples similar to the Acropolis in Athens, but they are situated on a flat plain. The greek ruins at Cuma are the oldest on the mainland & include a trapezoid-shaped cave where the Cumean Sybill supposedly gave her prophesies. The nearby Lago Averno is the traditional location of Aneas’ descent into the underworld in “The Aneid”. There is a great amphitheatre in nearby Pozzuoli. </p>

<p>Wow - I could go on. Guess that’s enough for a first installment. Next time - Sorrento & Capri, or maybe Tuscany & Florence…</p>

<p>@bz2010 – lol, don’t worry, they’re French :wink: Any info you could offer about Tuscany and Florence?</p>

<p>Cinque Terre – Has anyone ever followed the trail/hiked through the Cinque Terre? They say that the view is so much better, and that you could really appreciate how incredible the place is if you choose to tour on foot. Or is it too tiring…? They are used to walking a lot though…)</p>

<p>Vernazza has a lot of friendly locals and they want to see the castle towers. They’ll probably spend a few days there mingling with the locals and learning how to speak the language.</p>

<p>Dolomites – The place feels Austrian according to Rick Steves. (By the way, I’m partial to him too. got a ton of information) Still, it’s a great place. Did anyone try BASE jumping and/or paragliding? Was it fun/not fun, safe/not safe? </p>

<p>Amalfi Coast – They’re planning on going to the Amalfi Coast, specifically Minori, in early September to catch the food festival (Gusta Minori). Then they’re probably going to walk around Positano, Vietri sul Mare (they want to see the Ceramic Museum), etc. Planning on skipping Praiano though… </p>

<p>Venice – Heard that it’s really nice there at night. So there’s St. Mark’s Basilica (must-see when it’s illuminated), Campanile bell tower, gondola rides, Pub Crawl Dinners, Accademia, Peggy Guggenheim Collection and the Doge’s Palace. Anything ‘unmissable’ that I missed? Too much museums and churches can be a huge headache so they simply wanted to see some, then wander and explore the place. </p>

<p>Palermo, Sicily – Nothing tourist-y but it’s a great way to immerse yourself with their way of life so they plan on spending time there too. Great/Bad idea?</p>

<p>–Too much to see in Rome, Tuscany, etc. Will tackle it later.</p>

<p>Thanks for all those who posted!</p>

<p>By the way, any food/restaurants you’d recommend?</p>

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<p>Tougher than a walk in the park, but nothing that requires lots of experience or equipment. Definitely worth doing, at least in part.</p>

<p>There are actually trails going all over the place–higher up the hills, into other towns, etc.–but the ones that most people use are the ‘coastal’ trails (they’re pretty direct connections between the 5 main towns, and you pretty much follow the coast). Guidebooks will tell you a bit about each of the specific trails. One of them is very short (15min walk, maybe), paved…better for an after dinner stroll than an actual hike. Clear at the other end of the towns, one section is supposed to be pretty grueling…about 2 hours, not very well maintained, etc. I actually skipped that section on the advice of some friends, and I was personally happy with that decision. I walked far enough to see some beautiful views, snap some photos, and then I took the train. </p>

<p>There were people of all ages and abilities doing the walks. I’d definitely recommend doing at least two (the easy one + one of the middle two), because it really does add something to the experience (and I say this as someone who’s generally pretty opposed to hiking :p). After doing one of the middle-length trails, you’ll either find that it’s reasonable and you enjoy it, or you’ll be extra grateful for the beach and the train, and you won’t have to worry about whether you might be missing out by not walking…win-win.</p>

<p>Tip: Even if your cousins have the stamina, I wouldn’t recommend doing all of the hikes in one day. I personally found that I was happier sort of…sauntering…than plowing ahead. Doing 2-3 towns in a day will, IMO, let you better enjoy the views, the walks, and the individual towns. </p>

<p>FYI, the Cinque Terre is pretty traveler-friendly. Under less than ideal circumstances (young, traveling solo, and speaking zero Italian), the full extent of my planning was (1) reading a lot of Rick Steves; (2) calling one day ahead to ask the hostel if they’d have space (“Probably”). Everything went wonderfully :)</p>

<p>ETA: Mr. Steves will tell you that some of the world’s greatest mojitos are at the Bar Centrale in Riomaggiore. Now, my own experience is limited, but I’m very willing to back him up…</p>

<p>If they are going to Switzerland and Austria first, start out the Italian tour in the Val Di Non - my D ran a race there, and it was a nice experience - depending on the weather you may catch the apple orchards in bloom! From there your can get to Venice and Verona (I highly recommend the latter), and go on from there.</p>

<p>I walked from the southernmost town to the third town up. It was a very easy walk and really not that far and yes, it’s very scenic. I would have liked to go further but my entire time there was unplanned and I didn’t have the time. There’s a train that goes between the towns so one can easily do the walk in one direction and take the train back. Good advice from ‘Student615’ above - the goal isn’t to accomplish the hike but rather to enjoy the scenery and little towns so breaking it up into a couple of days might be nice. Maybe stay in the middle town and head south one day and head north the next day for the walks.</p>