<p>I will readily admit to being less informed than many of you, but could someone be so kind as to help me understand how Marilee Jones relates to a discussion of Suzy Weiss? After you explain it, I’ll probably be embarrassed that I didn’t see the connection, but life is a learning experience.</p>
<p>FTM,
In the video posted up thread, Jones opined that there was some truth in what Suzy wrote.</p>
<p>And no, I don’t think admissions is totally a crap shoot. There are many more qualified candidates than Suzy Weiss. I think it’s not always clear why one kid is accepted and another isn’t, but the adcoms do try to create a strong class.</p>
<p>Neither of mine kids attended ivies. One applied to one Ivy and was waitlisted; the other was rejected from the same Ivy, so I am not speaking defensively.</p>
<p>One young woman accepted to the same school was a champion track and field star. Although some might argue that sports is not an academic criterion, she spent untold, focused hours perfecting her sport, and she is contributing to community life at an impressive level.</p>
<p>Of course, admissions misses some very deserving candidates, but I don’t think it’s the same as a crap shoot.</p>
<p>@FMTTM: I’m not sure of the direct relationship myself, except that it’s a discussion of the sense or lack of sense of elite admissions. When someone who’s helming the process is a fraud, it might throw doubt on the process, at least at that school. Or maybe not, which is where the discussion seemed to head to me.</p>
<p>My kids were accepted at some schools that were more selective than schools they were rejected from. Money may have been an issue, but I think that there was a pattern in fitness and the adcoms did a good job. For example: S – accepted at Williams, U of Chicago, Wesleyan, Vassar; Waitlisted – Brown, Amherst. Rejected – Bates, Tufts, Cornell.</p>
<p>The outlier is Bates, but I don’t believe this was a crap shoot or Tufts syndrome. I think they thought my kid wasn’t a good match for their school. We visited, and he interviewed, and it seemed to go well, but another kid from his school with lower stats was accepted, attended and loved his experience. Bravo Bates.</p>
<p>Not a crapshoot – Amherst and Brown, similar but more selective than Williams (by acceptance rates). Tufts and Cornell may have been more numbers driven, not sure.</p>
<p>But it doesn’t seem quite like a crap shoot.</p>
<p>If he had applied to HYPMS I am sure he would have been rejected at all of them, even though his stats were well within their ranges. He was a white suburban boy with some great achievements (composes classical music, Latin scholar, blah, blah, blah), but I really am sure there were many more qualified. Had he come from an very underrepresented state I’m sure he would have been accepted. But I have no problem with that thinking. We didn’t apply because he didn’t feel like garnering rejections or spending money or elevating acceptance rates.</p>
<p>If we understood this, it’s odd that Suzy Weiss and her family didn’t. That’s why I think they had a poor list.</p>
<p>The fact of the matter is that the girl’s SAT scores were too low. Her application to the Ivies probably didn’t even pass initial screening. </p>
<p>A white, Jewish girl with a 2100 just doesn’t cut it sorry. Now if she were latina or black then yes, she could get in with those scores. Colleges simply hold whites and asians to higher standards because they have higher grades, IQs, SAT scores, incomes, etc. </p>
<p>The outrage sparked by her letter does bring up a very important issues. Our country is sacrificing the “best and the brightest” for the “most diverse and worldly” which poses a real problem for scientific progress.</p>
<p>SAT scores for decent chance at an Ivy by race:
Black - 2000-2100
Latino - 2050-2150
White - 2200 - 2300
Asian - 2300 - 2400</p>
<p>Is that fair? No.</p>
<p>^^^^So many upsets with this post that I’ll just refrain. :)</p>
<p>@ Mythmom</p>
<p>What are you trying to communicate by “so many upsets?” I would certainly hope that you’d have “many upsets” over my post, as the issue is quite upsetting. The fact that colleges have institutionalized reverse discrimination and have compromised academia in the name of diversity is truly an outrage.</p>
<p>Go ahead and try to refute anything in my previous post. Humor me.</p>
<p>2120 on SAT Obviously Not Yale or Princeton -____- … For WashU you need around 2200-2300. Her GPA isn’t the whole factor too… 4.5 weighted could be anything from 3.0-4.0 depending on what type of classes one takes. I don’t think she gets that Ivy League Schools are hard to stand out in. 2120 isnt the highest of scores… If one does not stand out then it is hard to be chosen…</p>
<p>There is a poster who opened a thread saying “don’t be ivy haters I got in with low SAT”. A white person with 1750 with admissions to Harvard, Yale and Cornell.</p>
<p>@ Texaspg</p>
<p>That’s what is commonly referred to on the internet as a “■■■■■.” The person was in fact intentionally misleading you in order to provoke an emotional response from you.</p>
<p>Or it could have been a recruited athlete, in which case the person will major in something trivial with mediocre gradeds and end up working at Starbucks.</p>
<p>White people don’t get into Ivies with 1750s.</p>
<p>@ Asianas</p>
<p>Yeah you’re right, I’d like to see what her unweighted GPA was. And yes, her SAT scores were even too low to be competitive at vandy.</p>
<p>I have verified that he/she is not a ■■■■■. Just seems to have some cool ECs (not athletic). I did request that low SAT score not be the theme since they do admit about 5% or more at or below that range.</p>
<p>Oh, so if Suzy were black she would have gotten into Princeton, Yale and UPenn?</p>
<p>That’s funny. You know, because I’m black and I was also rejected from the same schools.
Explain pls.</p>
<p>@ Alexissss</p>
<p>No. Read my posts carefully. I said if she were black or latina she “could” get in with those scores. The implication is that she would have a better chance at being accepted if she were a URM.</p>
<p>I did not say she would be guaranteed a spot, I said she would have a chance.</p>
<p>But…if I was rejected, right, how do you know if I had a better chance?</p>
<p>lol I was just thinking about how much crap the girl with a 1750 would get if she were black. Hilarious.</p>
<p>I know where this girl is coming from. Same thing happened to me last year and I was very bitter, citing the same reasons she did. However, opportunities come to those who work hard, so she could work her ass off and then transfer.</p>
<p>@ Alexissss</p>
<p>I know you had a better chance because I understand how the college admissions process works. Anyone with an elementary understanding of the admissions process and affirmative action would know that lower SAT scores and grades are required of a URM.</p>
<p>Your chances were indeed higher, but your application was still found to be lacking.</p>
<p>To deny affirmative action exists in the college admissions process is to deny fact.</p>
<p>@ Bubinski: Allow me to kindly point out your contradictions. You blatantly stated that colleges are sacrificing “the best and the brightest” (white and Asian students) to allow underrepresented minorities a chance. I can address your comment in one word: Racist. Moreover, you complain about a sort of institutionalized reverse discrimination displayed by colleges, which, I hate to tell you, is rubbish. So, as you see, you’re making prejudiced remarks and then complaining about discrimination. You are part of the problem. Are you complaining about students who get in because of legacies? Or wealthy parents? Or connections? No, you’re not – because you’re probably stuck in the 1950’s.</p>
<p>[Dorman</a> '16: Dear Suzy Lee Weiss ? Brown Daily Herald](<a href=“http://www.browndailyherald.com/2013/04/11/dorman-16-dear-suzy-lee-weiss/]Dorman”>Dorman '16: Dear Suzy Lee Weiss - The Brown Daily Herald)</p>
<p>@bub
My stats were the same as Suzy’s (took ACT in place of SAT). I even had a nice little story of overcoming adversity to go with it!</p>
<p>So, enlighten me. How do you know why I was rejected? How do you know why she was rejected?
Oh, that’s right. You don’t.</p>
<p>And to be clear, I believe AA exists. Do I wholly agree with the current system? No. I’m more in favor of SES AA myself rather than gender/race based AA.
What irks me is this constant stream of bs from white and Asian students/parents (usually privileged) who cannot accept the fact that they or their children are rejected from lottery schools and decide to blame minorities. It no longer seems to matter if these minorities are qualified, they just shouldn’t be there. They don’t deserve it. They <em>obviously</em> had lower scores. They stole my spot. </p>
<p>All of these reasonings are foolish considering none of these people are admissions officers. These people base assumptions on anecdotal evidence.
If a white kid gets into Yale with a 2100? “Wow your essays must have been super! Congratulations!”
What about a black or Hispanic kid? “You only got in because of AA omg what a crappy SAT score.”</p>
<p>When does the stupidity end?</p>
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<p>You seem to like the term “fact.” Might you be confusing that term with a more appropriate “opinion.” A politician once said, "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts. and that seems highly applicable to the few posts above. </p>
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<p>See above!</p>