<p>An Ivy-Covered Path to the Supreme Court</p>
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<p>I’m sure that many people on this list will disagree with you: [Famous</a> People & The Schools They Went To - Their Colleges, Majors & Degrees](<a href=“GoDaddy Corporate Domains - Protected”>GoDaddy Corporate Domains - Protected)</p>
<p>look at Warren Buffet and even Joe Biden (who flunked out of Delaware and Syracuse which shows that your schooling doesn’t even matter!)</p>
<p>What are your thoughts on the following:</p>
<p>I am a believer in diversity. The power of diversity is the bringing together of different perspectives onto a problem. The obstacle that America faces today, is that many of our leaders have the same common perspective, that of Harvard, Yale, and Princeton. We need to look for diversity in our ideas, and if our leaders are from the same educational background, they lose the power of ethnic and gender diversity. The ethnic and gender diversity many of our current leaders possess no longer brings a plethora of new ideas, only the same perspective they learned from their common Ivy League education. Beginning in 1988, with the election of Bush 41, our country has been led by the same closed group of Ivy League graduates. America should not be an Ivy League social experiment. Now is the time for Change. We should look for leaders amongst a wider group of Americas Universities. Our best hope for solving our Nation’s problems is to bring together men and women from different educational backgrounds (true diversity). Until our next Presidential election, Americans need to demand diversity in appointees. Twenty plus years of Harvard, Yale and Princeton have taken a great toll on America.</p>
<p>President:
Yale - Bush Sr. - 4 years
Yale Law - Clinton - 8 years
Yale - Bush, Jr. - 8 Years
Harvard Law - Obama - ( 4 - 8 years)</p>
<p>----Potentially 28 Years of Presidential Ivy League Leadership (A generation of ideas)</p>
<p>Gore - Harvard
Hillary Clinton - Yale Law
Sotomayor - Princeton, Yale Law
Geitner - Dartmouth</p>
<p>Diversity is not just about gender and race but about different perspectives. America needs to decentralize the power structure away from the Ivy League educated individual and gain from the diverse perspective that people from other institutions can provide. This will bring true change and a diversity of ideas to our policy making.</p>
<p>Unless you can prove that non-ivy perspectives are better than “ivy perspectives” it’s a moot point. It’s like saying since the economy has been screwed up by high school graduates, obviously we need to elect some high school drop outs into Congress. It’s irrational.</p>
<p>And really, you’d also have to prove that people who graduate from the ivies do not have diverse points of view. I would contend that American politics needs more people from different disciplines rather than colleges. I don’t care where they got their degrees, but it would be nice if we got more economists, scientists and engineers into the art of governing.</p>
<p>^^college does matter but only in certain areas and only to a certain extent. i skimmed your list and i didn’t find anyone who attended a community college. a good amount of the colleges attended were 100-150 schools or at the very least recognizable.
^^ just because someone went to an ivy doesn’t mean that they have a limited perspective. but all that aside i think it’ll be quite a while before non-ivy presidents are elected. now adays politics are mostly about show and recognition. people want to believe that their leader has had the best training possible and is over qualified. they want to be impressed by his accomplishments. they also want his accomplishments to be appreciated world wide, and honestly there aren’t many schools that can do that othr than ivies. just like oxford is the most recognizable foreign school to america, so are HYP ect to the rest of the world. you must make the masses believe that the ivies are not the best, and that probably won’t happen</p>
<p>Ray, I would agree with you that a variety of degrees: economists, scientists and engineers would be beneficial. My point on the Ivy vs. Non Ivy degree is that graduates from different universities bring different life experiences and perspectives that should be richly valued. Diversity is the key point and that must include educational diversity. Many of the best and the brightest are educated by universities and colleges outside of the Ivy League because students and their families choose not to go into debt to pay for their college education. This is an excellent and mature choice and maybe an individual like this would look long and hard before growing our National Debt any higher.</p>
<p>Banana, Ronald Reagan was very well respected and he attended Eureka College.</p>
<p>They got the position because they were well qualified and were quite intelligent. They also just happen to go to an Ivy league university. Ivy league universities tend to attract these types of ppl. It’s not like an Ivy league university can transform an idiot into a genius overnight. Students at Ivy league schools are inherently smart to begin with…</p>
<p>I guess the Ivy league alumni network helps a bunch. It’s a self perpetuating cycle.</p>
<p>It’s silly to pretend that the Ivies aren’t elite door-openers. </p>
<p>Luckily for the vast majority of us (and our children) they are not the exclusive path toward success, however you define success.</p>
<p>You can’t simply conclude ivy grads share the same perspectives. Students in ivy schools have many different perspectives, you can’t simply say that non-ivy grads automatically have a perspective that ivy grads cannot have, at least not to the point where differences become radically important.</p>
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<p>Huh? A nice and hardworking man for sure, but not the sharpest knife…</p>
<p>Agree with Katliamon, when they start making lists of people who did not go to one of 8 relative small schools, need they say more?</p>
<p>The point the journalist should have included here, however, is that Sotomayor represents the new ivy league grad. The very bright minorities who started getting recruited by ivies around the time she went. The Supreme Court has been dominated by the old guard–the wealthy, white men born into power. while another ivy grad, this is certainly a big step.</p>
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<p>Do you think all of these people who came from all different walks of life (Raised in backwoods Arkansas and Asia for example) went to these schools for 3 or 4 years and became the pawns of the schools? What the ivies do is take bright people from all over the planet and let them exchange ideas and perspectives.</p>
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You mean…Ivies can help someone be successful? How surprising! :p</p>
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<p>How do you read that and conclude that Biden flunked out of Delaware and Syracuse? He certainly wouldn’t have been attending law school if he flunked out of UG. The general tone of that article is pretty unsophisticated, though, like pointing out Bill Gates was accepted to Harvard, one of the best business schools, which has nothing to do with him applying to Harvard as an UG.</p>
<p>I didn’t read the article, but I want to point out that Warren Buffet went to Columbia Business School.</p>
<p>from wikipedia:</p>
<p>“Biden attended the University of Delaware in Newark, where he was more interested in sports and socializing than in studying,[7] although his classmates were impressed by his cramming abilities.[12] He played halfback with the Blue Hens freshman football team,[11] but he dropped a junior year plan to play for the varsity team as a defensive back in order to spend more time with his out-of-state girlfriend.[11][14] He graduated with a Bachelor of Arts with a double major in history and political science in 1965,[2] ranked 506th of 688 in his class.[15]
He went on to receive his Juris Doctor from Syracuse University College of Law in 1968,[16] where by his own description he found it to be “the biggest bore in the world” and pulled many all-nighters to get by.[12][17] During his first year there, he was accused of having plagiarized 5 of 15 pages of a law review article. Biden said it was inadvertent due to his not knowing the proper rules of citation, and he was permitted to retake the course after receiving a grade of F, which was subsequently dropped from his record.[17] He was admitted to the Delaware Bar in 1969.[16]”</p>
<p>Warren Buffet went to Nebraska for undergrad</p>
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<p>I don’t like the phrasing on this, no matter what your intent was. You make it seem like it’s impossible to prove that non-Ivy perspectives are, in some way, “better” than an Ivy perspective, therefore we shouldn’t have any. However, it’s also impossible to prove an Ivy perspective is “better.” </p>
<p>Equal weighting should be given to both. Where a person is schooled does not matter as much as the person him/herself.</p>
<p>Buffett may have gotten his degree from UNL but he did attend UPenn’s Wharton School for 2 years before transferring.</p>
<p>She was picked because she’s a minority anyway.</p>
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<p>I fail to see how I implied that there should be no non-ivy perspectives included. Since it’s impossible to prove one “perspective” is better than another, we shouldn’t include perspectives for the sake of perspectives.</p>
<p>Ivies always mattered, but some may not know how much. Recently, today and yesterday I was remined how much Ivys actually matter, reading this thread:
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-michigan-ann-arbor/724892-umich-ann-arbor-par-ivy.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-michigan-ann-arbor/724892-umich-ann-arbor-par-ivy.html</a>
As I plan to attend undergraduate at a non ivy university, when looking at graduate school I’ll definately consider Ivy Leagues.</p>