Ivy League and other top schools' student body academic strength

<p>This information is for perspective students. Parents who graduated from these schools may use this for their children’s benefit as well, but this is not for those alumni because their stats are totally different back in their days.</p>

<p>Source: Common Data Set from each school’s official website (2011-2012) </p>

<p>This one can link to most of them.
[Peer</a> Data Links | Office of Institutional Research](<a href=“http://oir.yale.edu/peers-data]Peer”>http://oir.yale.edu/peers-data)</p>

<p>Raw data of Ivy League schools by class size: (smallest to largest, and then other top schools)</p>

<p>Class Reading Math Writing</p>

<h1>Size 25-75% 25-75% 25-75%</h1>

<p>1,105 670-780, 690-790, 690-790, Dartmouth
1,300 700-790, 710-800, 700-790, Princeton
1,355 700-800, 710-790, 710-800, Yale
1,391 690-780, 700-790, 690-780, Columbia
1,485 660-750, 680-770, 670-770, Brown
1,661 690-790, 700-800, 690-790, Harvard
2,420 660-750, 690-780, 670-770, U Penn
3,182 630-730, 670-770, - - - - -, Cornell</p>

<p>1,126 670-770, 740-800, 680-770 MIT
1,724 660-750, 690-780, 670-770 Duke
1,279 630-730, 670-770, 650-750 Johns Hopkins
2,107 680-750, 700-780, 680-770 Northwestern
1,707 670-770, 690-780, 680-780 Stanford
1,601 680-770, 700-780, 670-760 Vanderbilt</p>

<p>Base on the raw data, look at their student body closer. (Raw data give a picture of each individual school student body strength but it is hard to compare between schools without taking freshman class size into consideration. )</p>

<p>Student body strength by listing top 800 SAT starting scores of
“Enrolled” freshman class (Fall 2011- Spring 2012):
(800 is within everyone’s 25-75%) </p>

<p>You may be surprised if you thought of this for the first time.</p>

<p>R--------- M---------R+M-------------------------- W R+M+W
735.50 765.50 1500.99 Penn----------------753.88 2254.88
729.72 769.72 1499.43 Cornell------------------------
743.67 753.67 1497.35 Harvard------------ 743.67 2241.02
731.84 759.25 1491.09 Northwestern------ 746.66 2237.75
731.92 735.54 1467.45 Yale---------------- 738.73 2206.18
726.27 740.64 1466.91 Stanford----------- 736.27 2203.18
725.06 740.05 1465.11 Vanderbilt--------- 715.06 2180.16
724.23 734.23 1458.46 Princeton---------- 724.23 2182.69
721.48 731.48 1452.96 Columbia---------- 721.48 2174.43
711.47 741.47 1452.95 Duke--------------- 727.19 2180.14
677.90 744.74 1422.65 MIT----------------- 687.11 2109.76
698.03 718.03 1416.06 Brown-------------- 712.26 2128.32
675.72 695.20 1370.93 Dartmouth------ 695.20 2066.13
654.90 694.90 1349.81 J. Hopkins----- 674.90 2024.71</p>

<p>This is by figuring out the percentile of the #800 in each freshman class size, and for each SAT subjects calculate the SAT score of that percentile. (you can convert them to be in tenth)</p>

<p>Schools with freshman class size much bigger than 3200 shouldn’t be calculated mathematically for top 800 because their top 800 is outside of 25-75 percentiles where no data is available.</p>

<p>Class size is a very important factor. If one only looked at raw data without considering freshman class size, it is deceiving… feel like Yale has the strongest student body just looking at raw data.</p>

<p>To explain from the result chart of student body academic strength:</p>

<p>Freshman class size Harvard ~1600, Penn ~2400, Cornell ~3200, about 2:3:4 (or 1:1.5:2)</p>

<p>=====|=====| Harvard
=====|=====|=====| Penn
=====|=====|=====|=====| Cornell</p>

<p>=====
The top 800 of them are about the same on SAT strength. If calculated the top 1600 just for these three u. their starting SATs are probably about the same which is the size of the whole freshman class of Harvard… Penn and Cornell are just bigger and can take more students. </p>

<p>If a perspective student likes academically strong peers but even more diverse student body, he/she can choose a bigger school. </p>

<p>2012-2013 one will follow this one with U.Chicago info. (I won’t explain again in next one)</p>

<p>Raw Data from Common Data Set
[url=&lt;a href=“http://oir.yale.edu/peers-data]Peer”&gt;http://oir.yale.edu/peers-data]Peer</a> Data Links | Office of Institutional Research<a href=“Data%20that%20can’t%20be%20found%20from%20this%20source%20are%20from%20government%20education%20statistics%20site,%20waited%20for%20a%20long%20time%20for%20all%20of%20them%20to%20be%20in%20there.”>/url</a></p>

<p>For Fall 2012 - Spring 2013 Enrolled freshman class:</p>

<p>Freshman SAT 25-75%
Class </p>

<h2>Size R…M…W</h2>

<p>1098 670-780 680-780 680-790…Dartmouth
1356 700-800 710-790 710-800…Yale
1357 700-790 710-800 710-800…Princeton
1413 700-780 700-790 700-790…Columbia
1539 660-760 660-770 670-780…Brown
1724 700-800 710-790 710-800…Harvard
2461 660-760 690-780 680-770…Penn
3217 640-740 670-780 – …Cornell</p>

<p>1733 660-750 690-780 670-770…Duke
1342 640-740 660-770 650-750…J.Hopkins
1140 670-770 740-800 680-780…MIT
2115 680-760 700-780 680-770…Northwestern
1765 680-780 700-790 700-780…Stanford
1511 700-780 700-790 – …U.Chicago
1587 690-770 710-790 670-770…Vanderbilt
1668 700-770 720-790 – …WUSL
1378 620-710 660-760 640-730 …Emory</p>

<p>Result:
Student body SAT Strength (the starting SAT score of their top 800 )</p>

<h2>R#800 M#800 W#800 R+M</h2>

<p>740.00 780.00 -------- 1520 Cornell
757.19 755.75 761.47 1513 Harvard
744.99 766.49 756.49 1511 Penn
739.48 759.48 746.91 1499 Northwestern
737.85 757.85 -------- 1496 WUSL
739.35 753.41 747.48 1493 Stanford
729.34 749.34 719.18 1479 Vanderbilt
735.29 739.7 -------- 1475 U.Chicago
732.01 735.6 738.81 1468 Yale
728.88 738.88 738.88 1468 Princeton
729.41 733.09 733.09 1463 Columbia
711.91 741.91 727.67 1454 Duke
679.65 745.79 689.65 1425 MIT
706.04 710.64 720.64 1417 Brown
670.77 693.85 680.77 1365 J.Hopkins
674.71 684.28 684.71 1359 Dartmouth
650.50 693.89 670.50 1344 Emory</p>

<p>Or</p>

<p>If only looked at raw data</p>

<p>Size------R--------M---------W
1765 680-780 700-790 700-780…Stanford
1733 660-750 690-780 670-770…Duke</p>

<p>Stanford and Duke has similar size freshman class and Stanford’s scores are higher.</p>

<p>3217 640-740 670-780 ------------Cornell
1342 640-740 660-770 650-750—J.Hopkins</p>

<p>Cornell has a larger freshman class but SAT scores still stronger.</p>

<p>2Das - very interesting stuff and an interesting approach to the middle 800 students. A couple questions for your consideration. I don’t know the answer, but maybe you do. Is the middle 50% scores (25%-75%) evenly dispersed. I hope it is but I wonder if there might not be a large grouping closer to the 75% mark. Also is there anyway to extrapolate international test scores from the overall score results of admitted students. I suspect, because of fierce competition, that international scores might just populate much of the top 25% range of scores. This could be good news to domestic students who think they need near perfection. </p>

<p>Thanks you.</p>

<p>This is a repeat of a thread from April:</p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/cornell-university/1493097-ivy-schools-what-s-starting-sat-scores-their-top-800-students.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/cornell-university/1493097-ivy-schools-what-s-starting-sat-scores-their-top-800-students.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;