Ivy leagues vs. LACs

<p>Hey, I’m knew to College Confidential and have a few questions concerning liberal arts colleges and ivy leagues. </p>

<p>First of all, which do you prefer? Why?</p>

<p>Which is better for what kind of person? Why?</p>

<p>What advantages/disadvantages does a student at an ivy league have?</p>

<p>What advantages/disadvantages does a student at a liberal arts college have?</p>

<p>How much do extracurriculars matter for admission into a LAC?</p>

<p>What can I get out of an education from an ivy league? LAC?</p>

<p>How much more would a grad from an ivy league earn, on average, from an LAC grad?</p>

<p>avoid using the incredibly broad term of “ivies” when trying to compare schools.</p>

<p>The members of the ivy league are very diverse - from the 21000 student body, inner city philadelphia located university of pennsylvania to the 4000 student body middle of nowhere new hampshire located dartmouth.</p>

<p>other than being very good schools in the same sports conference, theres nothing too similar about them.</p>

<p>in response to your question about salaries, you’ll find your salary is much more dependant on your major and field you choose to go into. a harvard english grad could very well go on to make $35,000 his first year while a lehigh engineer could go on to make $55,000 his first year.</p>

<p>in general, however, you’ll find that the highest paying first year jobs are going to cap out around 62,000 - the only people making more than that would be ibankers - where most of their salary is bonus, and they give their lives to whichever company they work for. As you can imagine those jobs are few and far between.</p>

<p>The comparison you are asking for is far too broad for anyone to accurately answer. The ivy league refers to 8 different schools, as jags said. The term “liberal arts colleges” refers to over 200 LACs throughout the nation. </p>

<p>To try and answer your question, my two favorite schools are Brown University and Wesleyan University. Both offer what I want in terms of academics, social life, and the overall environment. Thus it is really far more dependent on the type of school you want (academics, environment, job opps, etc). </p>

<p>Also, don’t forget that Dartmouth is so small it may as well be considered a somewhat large LAC. This defeats the purpose of your question entirely.</p>

<p>Hey, I’m knew to College Confidential and have a few questions concerning liberal arts colleges and ivy leagues. </p>

<p>First of all, which do you prefer? Why?</p>

<p>I prefer the LAC because of its smaller class sizes, more intimate community feel, and concentration on reading/writing skills. I would rather be in a writing or reasoning class than doing research at a major university. That’s just me though.</p>

<p>Which is better for what kind of person? Why?</p>

<p>Every school has every type of person. Generally speaking, if you have a pretty set idea of what you want to do, or want access to a dizzying multitude of course selections, an Ivy league University is more your speed. If you want a more intimate atmosphere with classes not necessarily geared toward professional ambitions, but more toward enhancing your reasoning and analytical skills, your writing and your communication skills, then an LAC might be a better choice. However, since schools in both the Ivy and LAC category vary drastically, it’s best to visit some and decide for yourself on a school by school basis.</p>

<p>What advantages/disadvantages does a student at an ivy league have?</p>

<p>Ivy league schools have vast resources, world renowned faculty, and the added bonus of name recognition. This is especially important when applying for jobs or admission to a graduate/professional school. On the flip side, some Ivy league faculty have the reputation of being arrogant and inaccessible, being much more focused on graduate students and important research. Each school has its own pros and cons.</p>

<p>What advantages/disadvantages does a student at a liberal arts college have?</p>

<p>Generally, an LAC student gets a more intimate experience with his/her professors. However, since there are so many different LACs, it’s hard to pin down one rule. LACs do miss out on the Division I sports excitement and the large social scene of a university; there are some incredibly heated DIII rivalries and every college will have its share of parties. Again, it’s about personal preference. Visit schools.</p>

<p>How much do extracurriculars matter for admission into a LAC?</p>

<p>Depending on the case, ECs could have little effect or a very large effect on your application. If you’ve done some spectacular EC work in your high school career, they will matter a lot. If you’ve just done some volunteering and played some sports or something considered “less substantial,” don’t fret; you just have to stand out enough when your entire application is viewed.</p>

<p>What can I get out of an education from an ivy league? LAC?</p>

<p>You will get a world class education at any Ivy League school. You will get a world class education at the “elite” LACs (Williams, Amherst, Pomona, Swarthmore, a few others); you will get outstanding educations at other LACs. There are probably some LACs that aren’t that great. However, at Ivies, you also gain the added “prestige” and name recognition that make people (read: employers) sit up and take notice; many employers and grad schools are well-acquainted with the premier LACs as well.</p>

<p>How much more would a grad from an ivy league earn, on average, from an LAC grad?</p>

<p>This depends completely on which Ivy/which LAC/what field of study/what job. The answer is completely variable.</p>

<p>Well, maybe I should have said it like this, the top universities vs. the elite LACs.</p>

<p>Williams College(MA)
Amherst College(MA)
Swarthmore College¶
Wellesley College(MA)
Middlebury College(VT)
Carleton College(MN)
Bowdoin College(ME)
Pomona College(CA)
Haverford College¶
Davidson College(NC)
Wesleyan University(CT)</p>

<p>vs.
Princeton University(NJ)
Harvard University(MA)
Yale University(CT)
California Institute of Technology
Stanford University(CA)
Massachusetts Inst. of Technology
University of Pennsylvania
Duke University(NC)
Dartmouth College(NH)
Columbia University(NY)
University of Chicago
Cornell University(NY)</p>

<p>Currently, I’m into Duke and Wesleyan.</p>

<p>^ Dukie,
If you have already been accepted to Duke, does that mean that you applied ED? Isn’t it binding?</p>

<p>Some LACs (Colgate, Bucknell, Lafayette, Holy Cross, Davidson) have D-I sports too.</p>

<p>lol I didn’t mean that I’ve been accepted to duke and wesleyan, just that I’m interested in them. I’m still a sophomore. =] heh</p>

<p>If that be the case, you shouldn’t be worrying about college yet. Log off CC and enjoy another year of High School before you start flipping about colleges.</p>

<p>I had a “first choice” when I was a soph… and I ended up applying ED to a different school. Someone should have told me to stop thinking about college, it would have made my life easier.</p>

<p>Go have fun.</p>

<p>How did you become interested in Duke and Wesleyan? J/w…the political leanings of the schools are very different.</p>

<p>I second just_browsing. don’t worry about starting a list yet. it will change. I was sure I knew where I wanted to go my freshman and sophomore years. It seemed like the perfect place… I didn’t even end up applying!</p>

<p>I agree that there’s no need to stress about it at this point, but I on the other hand ended up applying ED to the place that was my first choice after sophomore year. I was entirely willing to change my mind, and expected that I would, but somehow I could never see myself going anywhere else.</p>

<p>^…but even after sophomore year is still closer to junior year.</p>

<p>Duke for the basketball and Wesleyan because of sheer intuition. heh</p>

<p>I’m biased, but I think the best place for a great learning environment is a LAC-like university (i.e. Princeton, Brown, Dartmouth, Caltech, Duke, Rice, et al). These universities have the resources of major research institutions, but they have the intimacy of LACs. LACs in consortiums with universities (like the 5 College Consortium or Haverford/Swat/Penn) are also a great place to combine small size with tremendous resources.</p>

<p>My major advisor taught at Wesleyan for several years before coming to Duke; both are great schools with a lot to offer.</p>

<p>Dukiex, while it’s a little early to start making a list, you should grab every opportunity you can to visit colleges (even ones you aren’t interested in) to start to get a feel for variables like size, urban/suburban/rural, types of architecture that turn you on or off, etc. When it comes time to make a list, a lot of students don’t have the time or money to visit all the places they are interested in, so use the time you’ve got to explore rather than to narrow down.</p>

<p>I prefer the Ivies to the top LACs but I know you can get a great education at a top LAC. I like the reputation and status of attending an Ivy, of course, but also prefer a bigger school with a moderate size graduate program. I think a graduate faculty and graduate students enhance undergraduate education up to a point. If the graduate program is too large, it is a distraction from undergrad education. Among the Ivies, Dartmouth is like an LAC. Among the Ivies, I prefer Cornell because of its size, focus on undergraduate education, and its strength in engineering and science.</p>